FS: 17x8 ARC-8 Wheels (BBS reps, perfect offset)

[Bishop]

17x8 et25, 4x100 SOLD

These were part of the ARC-8 initial group buy that Eddy (Paintpro) did last year and I was lucky enough to get mine pretty quick and then whore them out.

Currently they are not bent, have no rash, very minor dings or imperfections (if any, I haven't looked, but they're wheels... I'm assuming, as should you, they're not brand new). Currently wrapped in 235/40 Dunlop Star Specs that are nearing the end of their life cycle...

Eddy had these wheels made for those going to the track. Simple as that. These particular wheels have seen roughly 6 hours of track use at High Plains Raceway, as well as a handful of Autocross events (figure about 3 events? Maybe 4 rounds per event).

After all that abuse, I also daily drove the wheels during the nicer months and kept them balanced... No rash, no bends, nothing that I'm currently aware of. The only thing I can think of is I noticed the center caps were getting a little messed up when I rotated the wheels last... The exterior / face is ok, but the tabs are getting hot (I'm guessing) and they kinda melted / warped / bent and the metal hoop in there also kinda fell out. I'm sure they would be easy to replace, or easy to fix... I don't really care if I have center caps or not cause I know they're not real BBS, and I bought them to abuse. I paid $1000 shipped for the wheels when I bought em and something like $600 for the tires at time time... Depending on what your uses are, the tires might be perfectly suitable... SO, make me some offers people. People wanting to lowball me so my eyes explode need not respond. I have no NEED to sell these wheels, just an urge. Asking $1100 for the wheels and tires, willing to split em up, willing to negotiate, etc...

[iamsam]

did you make a FS thread in the wheels for sale section?

[Bishop]

Yes, and pending some more thinking, these may be off the market...

[Bimmerman325i]

Selling the wheels, not selling the wheels, selling the wheels, not selling the wheels... Dude... lol

btw, good thinking.

[Bishop]

More like: Selling the wheels, maybe not, end thread.

[iamsam]

so you are officially not selling them now?

[Bishop]

We'll see... A lot of you guys push for 15s, which is cool, but I wanna see some hard data as to why 15s are better than 17s... I have my reasons to want to switch, but I do have a ton of grip with the 17s...

[iamsam]

We'll see... A lot of you guys push for 15s, which is cool, but I wanna see some hard data as to why 15s are better than 17s... I have my reasons to want to switch, but I do have a ton of grip with the 17s...

my only hard data that i can offer is this.

1. 15s are lighter
2. You boiled your brake (high performance) fluid on HPR, i didn't boil mine. (stock Autozone stuff)

but 17s do give you a better contact patch, but a 15x8 arguably can give you a similar contact patch, but you will have taller sidewalls.

[Bimmerman325i]

We'll see... A lot of you guys push for 15s, which is cool, but I wanna see some hard data as to why 15s are better than 17s... I have my reasons to want to switch, but I do have a ton of grip with the 17s...

Without taking a data logger to the track with a set of 15s and 17s with the same tire and just different sizes, you won't find any. Just people saying one is better than the other without any proof.

A lot of guys in ST (spec civic) run 16s and 17s to get enough tire width. Tire width is most important, and a 15"/225 combo will weigh as near as makes no difference to your current package. Remember these wheels are LIGHT compared to 99% of other 17s that 'teh intarwebz' thinks are horrible.

Also consider the cost- you currently pay more in tires, yes, but if you buy a set of 15s, and tires, you'll spend more money to get less tire..... You'd save a good bit of money just paying the extra $20-30/tire for the 17" wheel.

Also, don't bother with R comps. You learn better and faster on street tires. Garrett's still running street tires, and is faster than many good drivers on R comps. I don't think you need to go to R comps anytime soon, or at least not until you can replicate that feat. Plus, you'll spend more money on R comps over time since you have to replace them much more often.

[Bimmerman325i]

my only hard data that i can offer is this.

1. 15s are lighter
2. You boiled your brake (high performance) fluid on HPR, i didn't boil mine. (stock Autozone stuff)

but 17s do give you a better contact patch, but a 15x8 arguably can give you a similar contact patch, but you will have taller sidewalls.

1) 15" wheel is lighter, 15" wheel and tire package is not necessarily lighter
2) that's a function of driver, not of wheels and tires. I boiled my brake fluid at Pueblo on 14s..... wheel diameter doesn't have any effect on brake boiling!

15x8 will not give you a similar contact patch unless you can find a 235mm tire in 15" that fits under stock fenders.

Plus, if/when you upgrade your brakes to a bbk, you'd need the bigger wheels.......

[Bimmerman325i]

For DD, get a set of 15s or 16s and run crap tires. Hell, do it anyway to keep from burning through pricey fun rubber.

For autocross and track, more contact patch directly translates to going faster with more control. There's a huge reason why Alex Schipkov runs 18x11s with 285/30/18 Hoosiers on his M20 powered DSP autocross car (~150whp).

[clarkkey594]

David does make a very good point about not being able to upgrade your brakes for the 15's.

[Bimmerman325i]

Well, you can, you just run the possibility of needing to clearance your calipers. If you upgrade the motor beyond the normal S50 swap, you'd want larger diameter rotors than would fit under 15s......which is pretty much why the 17x8 Apex wheel exists. Wide tires + clearance for a 332mm BBK under stock fenders, it's kinda the raison d'etre.

[Bishop]

Without taking a data logger to the track with a set of 15s and 17s with the same tire and just different sizes, you won't find any. Just people saying one is better than the other without any proof.

A lot of guys in ST (spec civic) run 16s and 17s to get enough tire width. Tire width is most important, and a 15"/225 combo will weigh as near as makes no difference to your current package. Remember these wheels are LIGHT compared to 99% of other 17s that 'teh intarwebz' thinks are horrible.

Also consider the cost- you currently pay more in tires, yes, but if you buy a set of 15s, and tires, you'll spend more money to get less tire..... You'd save a good bit of money just paying the extra $20-30/tire for the 17" wheel.

Also, don't bother with R comps. You learn better and faster on street tires. Garrett's still running street tires, and is faster than many good drivers on R comps. I don't think you need to go to R comps anytime soon, or at least not until you can replicate that feat. Plus, you'll spend more money on R comps over time since you have to replace them much more often.

New 15s plus tires would cost ~ what I'd sell the 17s for, so $$ is not really a factor there. R-comps, I've heard quite a few people telling me to get good on street tires, and I agree, but an r-comp on the smaller wheel is still cheaper than street tires on the larger wheel.... Smaller wheel would mean no more rubbing and feel a bit more nimble, plus the r-comps should in theory stick as well or better than the 17" street tires...

1) 15" wheel is lighter, 15" wheel and tire package is not necessarily lighter
2) that's a function of driver, not of wheels and tires. I boiled my brake fluid at Pueblo on 14s..... wheel diameter doesn't have any effect on brake boiling!

15x8 will not give you a similar contact patch unless you can find a 235mm tire in 15" that fits under stock fenders.

Plus, if/when you upgrade your brakes to a bbk, you'd need the bigger wheels.......

There are 235/15s, why wouldn't they fit under the fenders? I know the selection isn't abundant, but in theory, why wouldn't they fit? As for brake fluid, I believe the 17s do require more stopping power. As for the BBK, Lee's kits fit under 15s.

For DD, get a set of 15s or 16s and run crap tires. Hell, do it anyway to keep from burning through pricey fun rubber.

For autocross and track, more contact patch directly translates to going faster with more control. There's a huge reason why Alex Schipkov runs 18x11s with 285/30/18 Hoosiers on his M20 powered DSP autocross car (~150whp).

For DD I'm staying on caps. Alex can run 18s cause it's autocross. I understand the contact patch, but I'm trying to find the best compromise between grip, braking power / stress, cost, fitment, etc... Alex's brakes would die if he tried to stop those 18s at 120mph at HPR

[Bishop]

David does make a very good point about not being able to upgrade your brakes for the 15's.

I'm fairly sure Lee's kit fits, but I could be wrong

Well, you can, you just run the possibility of needing to clearance your calipers. If you upgrade the motor beyond the normal S50 swap, you'd want larger diameter rotors than would fit under 15s......which is pretty much why the 17x8 Apex wheel exists. Wide tires + clearance for a 332mm BBK under stock fenders, it's kinda the raison d'etre.

I can't argue here, you know this, and I've said this. IF I go s50, which it looks like I will eventually, then yes, I'd like larger wheels to put the power down, and definitely larger brakes to protect my investment.... However, on a stock m20, I don't really see the need for big brakes.. yet.