R3VLimited Forums

Go Back   R3VLimited Forums > General Forums > Off Topic Lounge > Politics and Religion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-04-2017, 05:58 PM   #2236
ForcedFirebird
R3V Elite
 
ForcedFirebird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: WOT-Tech, Florida
Posts: 4,799
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wschnitz View Post
I too get my maps/graphs from opinion blogs.



Not to mention the fact there are no hard numbers in it, painting it as though coal makes up 50% of the countries energy when its at 33% and falling. NG being another 33%.

How about a coal map directly from the EIA...

https://www.eia.gov/state/maps.cfm

Use the map layers and take a look for yourself. Over 90% of the coal burned in the US is for electricity.


Doesn't change the fact that electric cars are ultimately charged by a power plant.

http://instituteforenergyresearch.or.../fossil-fuels/

Quote:
American coal production is currently the second highest in the world (behind China)[ix], delivering 895 million short tons in 2015.[x] The United States has a vast amount of in-place coal resources, over 10 trillion short tons[xi], and has the most technically recoverable coal in the world at 258.6 billion short tons[xii]. From mines around the country, coal is transported to over 500 power plants in the US in diesel-powered freight trains. Similarly, the coal the US exports to overseas markets is carried on ships powered by petroleum-based bunker fuel, a further example of one fossil fuel being used to transport another.
__________________
-john "If you can't afford to do it proper the first time, what makes you think you can afford to do it again?"


WideOpenThrottleTech@gmail.com

Facebook
Instagram
YouTube
ForcedFirebird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 06:11 PM   #2237
LEANE30
E30 Modder
 
LEANE30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: 6305 ft above sea level
Posts: 803
Send a message via AIM to LEANE30
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForcedFirebird View Post
How about a coal map directly from the EIA...

https://www.eia.gov/state/maps.cfm

Use the map layers and take a look for yourself. Over 90% of the coal burned in the US is for electricity.


Doesn't change the fact that electric cars are ultimately charged by a power plant.

http://instituteforenergyresearch.or.../fossil-fuels/
So what you saying? You have something personal against coal?!?

Let's talk about DC power transmission inefficiencies from wind farm gathering networks, relative to life cycle and creation carbon footprints, shall we?

As soon as carbon capture technology feeds directly into carbon product generation cycles rather than merely bureaucratic sequestration mandates, then there may be a leg to stand on here...

Sent from my LGLS740 using Tapatalk
__________________
...because that is what the e30 dream is all about, blowing a load of money effort skill talent and time on a stupid fucking car project instead of making a real impact on the world within the miniscule pathetically short lifespans we hope to squander on petty self centered toys.

m20 oil pan baffle extension plate stencil/cut file PDF
LEANE30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 06:23 PM   #2238
ForcedFirebird
R3V Elite
 
ForcedFirebird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: WOT-Tech, Florida
Posts: 4,799
Coal:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Hydro electric:



Nuclear:



Combined in real scale according to MW production...



PEV stations:



Not sure gwb72tii's posts was way out there.
__________________
-john "If you can't afford to do it proper the first time, what makes you think you can afford to do it again?"


WideOpenThrottleTech@gmail.com

Facebook
Instagram
YouTube
ForcedFirebird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 06:25 PM   #2239
ForcedFirebird
R3V Elite
 
ForcedFirebird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: WOT-Tech, Florida
Posts: 4,799
Quote:
Originally Posted by LEANE30 View Post
So what you saying? You have something personal against coal?!?
No. It was the fact that gwb72tii's post about PEV's getting charged by fossil fuels was deemed "laughable".

EDIT: If you read my previous post...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForcedFirebird View Post
I was on the understanding methane was the bigger scare than co2?
__________________
-john "If you can't afford to do it proper the first time, what makes you think you can afford to do it again?"


WideOpenThrottleTech@gmail.com

Facebook
Instagram
YouTube
ForcedFirebird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 06:38 PM   #2240
LEANE30
E30 Modder
 
LEANE30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: 6305 ft above sea level
Posts: 803
Send a message via AIM to LEANE30
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForcedFirebird View Post
No. It was the fact that gwb72tii's post about PEV's getting charged by fossil fuels was deemed "laughable".

EDIT: If you read my previous post...
Wait... Read previous posts!!!! You are out of your mind, man! ...Who the hell reads previous posts?

Sent from my LGLS740 using Tapatalk
__________________
...because that is what the e30 dream is all about, blowing a load of money effort skill talent and time on a stupid fucking car project instead of making a real impact on the world within the miniscule pathetically short lifespans we hope to squander on petty self centered toys.

m20 oil pan baffle extension plate stencil/cut file PDF
LEANE30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 06:43 PM   #2241
ForcedFirebird
R3V Elite
 
ForcedFirebird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: WOT-Tech, Florida
Posts: 4,799
Quote:
Originally Posted by LEANE30 View Post
Wait... Read previous posts!!!! You are out of your mind, man! ...Who the hell reads previous posts?

Sent from my LGLS740 using Tapatalk
Nope. this is r3v. Post something in response to someone and wait for the pitchforks!

It is an extremely long thread, and haven't real every single post, either. HA!
__________________
-john "If you can't afford to do it proper the first time, what makes you think you can afford to do it again?"


WideOpenThrottleTech@gmail.com

Facebook
Instagram
YouTube
ForcedFirebird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 07:06 PM   #2242
mrsleeve
I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
 
mrsleeve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: NW MT
Posts: 15,270
The shortsightedness of the greenies when it comes to the true environmental impact of their EVs and hybrids is staggering sometimes.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-
mrsleeve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 07:11 PM   #2243
LEANE30
E30 Modder
 
LEANE30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: 6305 ft above sea level
Posts: 803
Send a message via AIM to LEANE30
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsleeve View Post
The shortsightedness of the greenies when it comes to the true environmental impact of their EVs and hybrids is staggering sometimes.
It blows my mind how few cars on the road daily are 10 years old or older... How's that for an average carbon footprint? The e30 is probably one of the most environmentally friendly vehicles currently still being daily driven in large numbers. If running right, the worst ones still get 25 mpg or better.

Sent from my LGLS740 using Tapatalk
__________________
...because that is what the e30 dream is all about, blowing a load of money effort skill talent and time on a stupid fucking car project instead of making a real impact on the world within the miniscule pathetically short lifespans we hope to squander on petty self centered toys.

m20 oil pan baffle extension plate stencil/cut file PDF
LEANE30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 07:15 PM   #2244
mrsleeve
I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
 
mrsleeve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: NW MT
Posts: 15,270
Our newest unit is 13 years old and my DD is now 20. None of which are great on mileage, but I can buy a lot of gas for what it would take to replace even 1 of them, and the increase in mpg will never make up for that
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-
mrsleeve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 07:17 PM   #2245
Wschnitz
R3V OG
 
Wschnitz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: BHAM
Posts: 7,465
I definitely don't encourage replacing perfectly fine reliable vehicles you already own with EV's. But If I was in the market for a new car, because my old one was broken, un-maintainable, or otherwise, id look at EVs before I looked at another ICE car.

The 'massive' environmental impact the media constantly broadcasts is extremely exaggerated.
__________________
1993 Suzuki Samurai | 1989 BMW 325is
willschnitz
Wschnitz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2017, 06:07 AM   #2246
Kershaw
R3V OG
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: MD
Posts: 11,107
Quote:
Originally Posted by LEANE30 View Post
If running right, the worst ones still get 25 mpg or better.
IXs get about 21-22mpg on average. So that's not quite accurate. I do agree about keeping older cars running being environmentally friendly.

That said, the shift to EV being called shortsighted is shortsighted itself. At some point we will shift entirely away from coal/natural gas/oil (30 years?) to nuclear/solar and then things will all have to be electric. And I'm not saying that because of the environmental impact, I'm saying that because of cost. Solar is cheaper now, however the infrastructure is not as robust, but it will be. And then all cars will be electric.

Cost drives everything, so it'd be crazy to think we aren't headed towards an all electric world.
__________________
Kershaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2017, 06:34 AM   #2247
roguetoaster
No R3VLimiter
 
roguetoaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Port Republic, MD
Posts: 3,137
Quote:
Originally Posted by kershaw View Post
cost drives everything, so it'd be crazy to think we aren't headed towards an all electric world.
100%
roguetoaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2017, 07:28 AM   #2248
BraveUlysses
No R3VLimiter
 
BraveUlysses's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bothell, WA
Posts: 3,668
Quote:
Originally Posted by LEANE30 View Post
It blows my mind how few cars on the road daily are 10 years old or older... How's that for an average carbon footprint? The e30 is probably one of the most environmentally friendly vehicles currently still being daily driven in large numbers. If running right, the worst ones still get 25 mpg or better.

Sent from my LGLS740 using Tapatalk
The average age of a car in the US is now 13 years old.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsleeve View Post
Our newest unit is 13 years old and my DD is now 20. None of which are great on mileage, but I can buy a lot of gas for what it would take to replace even 1 of them, and the increase in mpg will never make up for that
that depends entirely on how much driving one does, doesn't it? I just sold my TDI back to VW and it was great on fuel economy when we were on the freeway but nothing special around town. Ultimately we weren't driving it enough miles to really justify the premium cost of a modern diesel car.

Cost of ownership due to the scandal was about $2000 in depreciation over 3.5 years which is phenomenal.
BraveUlysses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2017, 08:51 AM   #2249
Kershaw
R3V OG
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: MD
Posts: 11,107
That is phenomenal. $47/month to own a brand new car? That's awesome.
__________________
Kershaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2017, 09:03 AM   #2250
BraveUlysses
No R3VLimiter
 
BraveUlysses's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bothell, WA
Posts: 3,668
yeah and not a cent on maintenance other than wiper fluid

but the scandal would have worked out really bad for us if the car had been totaled during the year of limbo we were in. value plummeted from 20k to 9k in 3-4 months.
BraveUlysses is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:02 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2004 - 2020 R3VLimited LLC