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Old 04-04-2016, 02:30 PM   #16
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Wow great project , some day i'll love to do this on my e34 ! i'm sub'd and going to follow the build !
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Old 04-06-2016, 04:14 PM   #17
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I would not remove the cam(s) if you don't absolutely have to. I would certainly replace the rod bearings because it takes 30 minutes when the motor is on a stand an half a day when it's in the car.

You should not need to cut fan clutch off, get a big wrench and hit it with a hammer.
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Old 04-06-2016, 06:45 PM   #18
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Did a little more work today

So I actually managed to remember to get a picture of the rusty cam. It isn't actually that bad. I think I was just in a bit of shock last time as I have never seen a rusty cam and became paranoid.



Absolutely no reason to take it out, but I will definitely do the rod bearings. Although was kind of looking forward to the idea of rebuilding the bottom end but it just isn't necessary for a 100k s62. The chain guides and rod bearings are the two big things to do while the engine is on a stand and not in a car.

I will start ordering all of the new seals and parts tomorrow and hopefully this engine will be wrapped up soon so it can go in the car

Aside from that, the e34 just needs to have the oil and remaining coolant drained from it before it is ready to have the motor pulled. As in, friends show up, we unbolt the engine/tranny mounts, and pull it out. It looks like that will happen Saturday where I will then put the motor and autobox up for sale. Idk what a 200k engine and transmission is worth so we'll see what that gets me.

I'll keep posting work as work gets done

PS: as for that fan clutch, most stubborn one I have ever tried to remove. I had a large pin holding the pulling, plus the belt, plus a large clamp on the pulley wedged against the engine while hitting the end of the wrench with a 5lb sledge. It is stubborn, so so stubborn.
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Old 04-06-2016, 09:01 PM   #19
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Holy crap man! That IS a lot of rust. That cam is going to mess up the followers which will in turn grind the lobes off the cam. How can you say there is no reason to do anything with it?

No offense, but....I'm not going to let you do any work on my cars.
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Old 04-07-2016, 06:23 AM   #20
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Holy crap man! That IS a lot of rust. That cam is going to mess up the followers which will in turn grind the lobes off the cam. How can you say there is no reason to do anything with it?

No offense, but....I'm not going to let you do any work on my cars.
You misunderstood my post. I said there is no reason to take the cam out, that does not mean I am going to do nothing about it. I would not dare try to start the motor in its current state. Instead I can clean the cam in place (there are ways to do that without dropping material into the head) instead of going through the process of removing and reinstalling the cam and everything associated with that. If you have any other questions of how I will do something or why, please ask. I have this thread to help make sure this will be done right and so that others can see and learn. I try to update as soon as something happens for this reason.
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Old 04-07-2016, 08:42 AM   #21
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That's. ... that's more rust than I expected. Obviously try polishing it with an emery pad or wet sand with 800grit, but fuck...

http://ls1tech.com/forums/generation...-cam-lobe.html
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:12 AM   #22
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Yeah, I saw that page too on Monday. My neighbor (who has a 55 Mercedes) made me swear to polish it with steel wool if the cam stays in the engine to keep grit out. Either way, gonna try polishing it and worst case, the cam will have to become a regrind which I doubt will go that far.
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Old 04-07-2016, 05:23 PM   #23
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Because I'm dumb it didn't occur to me to check the other side, so I did today. Surprise surprise, rust on the other intake cam. Fortunately, it is very light surface rust and not anywhere near as bad as the passenger side. Now all cams have a fresh coat of oil to hopefully slow any new rust formation. I doubt it will get much worse as both cars in the garage still have completely rust free rotors after 3 weeks. Not even a spec.

Another thing is that I got the water pump off and half of the impeller was very rusty. There was residual coolant in it and I am assuming the half that was in coolant was fine while the half that was out wasn't.

Good news is that all the accessories are off now so once the new seals/parts arrive, I can begin that process
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Old 04-07-2016, 06:24 PM   #24
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Wow, crazy about the rust!

Mind sharing your parts list for the chain guides & bearings? I'm a month or so behind you in making the same order.

When can I pick up the rusty water pump?


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Old 04-07-2016, 06:42 PM   #25
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xD I am really annoyed by this pump. Once I get the pulley off. The last attempt I made involved two retaining pins to hold the pulley, a large clamp on the pulley wedged against the engine, another pulley putting more tension an the auxiliary belt, plus a small sledge hammer for the wrench. In the end, both pins now have a 90 degree bend :/ I will be getting a friend to help me break it free now that it is off the engine. I'll let you know how it goes

Also, I'll post all the parts I order here just because I'm sure it will be useful for a lot of people

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Old 04-09-2016, 05:39 PM   #26
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Hey, so good news. I have another set of intake cams for the s62. The old ones I will remove and try to clean. Idk what I will do with them after that.

Also, here is a list of seals and some parts by part number in a csv format. I have not ordered everything on this list but nearly everything. If you copy the text and save into a csv file, you can open it in excel:
"part number","description","quantity","price per item(realoem)"
"11141405969","rear coolant passage cover gasket","1","9.71"
"11141736521","Rear crank seal plate gasket","1","2.62"
"11141710247","Rear main seal","1","64.06"
"11141275466","Front crank seal","1","42.02"
"11140001187","lower timing cover seals","1","32.50"
"11140001186","Upper timing cover gaskets","2","16.27"
"11137831014","oil pan gasket","1",60.50"
"11431707164","dip stick seal","1","4.06"
"11131407532","lower oil pan seal","1","24.02"
"11120001269","valve cover gaskets","2","43.57"
"11121406744","valve cover cover gasket","2","53.11"
"11121721879","front 3 valve cover cap seals","6","1.20"
"11121437395","rear valve cover cap seals","20","1.17"
"11431707164","oil separator drain seal","1","4.06"
"11151407344","passenger oil separator drain hose","1","10.25"
"11151406902","driver oil separator drain hose","1","7.25"
"11151406952","passenger vent hose","1","15.37"
"11151406953","driver vent hose","1","15.37"
"11367830147","vanos supply line? idfk","1","15.90"
"11287833264","accessory belt","1","45.22"
"11281435115","screw that is bent for me. For aux belt tensioner","1","6.43"
"11287833266","ac belt","1","26.28"
"11241407492","lower rod bearing factory size","8","16.49"
"11241407493","upper rod bearing factory size","8","16.49"
"11311406366","center timing chain guide","1","104.93"
"11311406280","driver side chain guide","1","42.62"
"11311407337","chain tensioner guide","1","111.56"
"11311406261","Chain tensioner","1","122.43"
"07119963355","chain tension seal","1",".36"
"11311406165","drivers side chain tensioner","1","153.27"
"11311406166","passenger side chain tensioner","1","153.27"
"11441406693","center oil cooler seal","1","2.92"
"11441406694","front oil cooler seal","1","3.35"
"11441406691","oil cooler control valve seals","2",".36"
"11441406702","rear oil cooler gasket","1","3.90"
"11531407002","oil cooler coolant pipe seals","2","1.81"
"11511406765","water pump gasket","1","5.17"
"11531312287","thermostat seal","1","34.94"
"11121406247","coolant return pipe seals","6","3.67"
"11531406249","coolant connector return pipe seals","4","1.02"
"11531710055","last coolant line seal","1","1.25"
"11611406657","intake manifold upper gasket","1","48.5"
"11611406747","intake manifold cap seal","4",".71"
"11611406637","passenger intake manifold seal","1","119.92"
"11611406636","driver side intake manifold seal","1","119.92"
"11627505789","some of the header gaskets","3","10.94"
"11627509677","the last header gasket","1","10.94"
"13541406352","throttle body seal","8","3.11"

It is worth noting that I did not pay these prices. They are just the realoem prices

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Old 04-09-2016, 06:24 PM   #27
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Old 04-09-2016, 07:31 PM   #28
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its just surface rust from sitting. rust is softer than the steel lifters and cams. not sure how it would damage anything if you clean em up.
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Old 04-16-2016, 04:23 PM   #29
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Saturday night update

Hey, so another update on progress made this week. I received the first box of parts for the s62 which includes the rod bearings and oil pan seals. So enough to get the bottom end all ready to go. That was one order so hopefully soon the timing components will come along as well.

Now, as of today actually, the m60 is out of the bimmer. That was fun and didn't take too too long carefully wiggling it out. I didn't realize how big the slushbox was so it should be much easier getting the s62 in than the m60 out.

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The next step will be to finish breaking the m60 apart. Like removing the transmission because a bolt stripped and it was getting late as well as keeping all of the goodies that still work and are annoying to replace (harmonic balancer, alternator, starter, compressor, etc). What is nice though is that now the old manifold is off and I can grab the flanges for the new headers. Hopefully soon I can start mocking them up with pvc

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Hey, so good news. I have another set of intake cams for the s62. The old ones I will remove and try to clean. Idk what I will do with them after that.

Also, here is a list of seals and some parts by part number in a csv format. I have not ordered everything on this list but nearly everything. If you copy the text and save into a csv file, you can open it in excel:
"part number","description","quantity","price per item(realoem)"
"11141405969","rear coolant passage cover gasket","1","9.71"
"11141736521","Rear crank seal plate gasket","1","2.62"
"11141710247","Rear main seal","1","64.06"
"11141275466","Front crank seal","1","42.02"
"11140001187","lower timing cover seals","1","32.50"
"11140001186","Upper timing cover gaskets","2","16.27"
"11137831014","oil pan gasket","1",60.50"
"11431707164","dip stick seal","1","4.06"
"11131407532","lower oil pan seal","1","24.02"
"11120001269","valve cover gaskets","2","43.57"
"11121406744","valve cover cover gasket","2","53.11"
"11121721879","front 3 valve cover cap seals","6","1.20"
"11121437395","rear valve cover cap seals","20","1.17"
"11431707164","oil separator drain seal","1","4.06"
"11151407344","passenger oil separator drain hose","1","10.25"
"11151406902","driver oil separator drain hose","1","7.25"
"11151406952","passenger vent hose","1","15.37"
"11151406953","driver vent hose","1","15.37"
"11367830147","vanos supply line? idfk","1","15.90"
"11287833264","accessory belt","1","45.22"
"11281435115","screw that is bent for me. For aux belt tensioner","1","6.43"
"11287833266","ac belt","1","26.28"
"11241407492","lower rod bearing factory size","8","16.49"
"11241407493","upper rod bearing factory size","8","16.49"
"11311406366","center timing chain guide","1","104.93"
"11311406280","driver side chain guide","1","42.62"
"11311407337","chain tensioner guide","1","111.56"
"11311406261","Chain tensioner","1","122.43"
"07119963355","chain tension seal","1",".36"
"11311406165","drivers side chain tensioner","1","153.27"
"11311406166","passenger side chain tensioner","1","153.27"
"11441406693","center oil cooler seal","1","2.92"
"11441406694","front oil cooler seal","1","3.35"
"11441406691","oil cooler control valve seals","2",".36"
"11441406702","rear oil cooler gasket","1","3.90"
"11531407002","oil cooler coolant pipe seals","2","1.81"
"11511406765","water pump gasket","1","5.17"
"11531312287","thermostat seal","1","34.94"
"11121406247","coolant return pipe seals","6","3.67"
"11531406249","coolant connector return pipe seals","4","1.02"
"11531710055","last coolant line seal","1","1.25"
"11611406657","intake manifold upper gasket","1","48.5"
"11611406747","intake manifold cap seal","4",".71"
"11611406637","passenger intake manifold seal","1","119.92"
"11611406636","driver side intake manifold seal","1","119.92"
"11627505789","some of the header gaskets","3","10.94"
"11627509677","the last header gasket","1","10.94"
"13541406352","throttle body seal","8","3.11"

It is worth noting that I did not pay these prices. They are just the realoem prices
that is indeed quite a laundry list.

where did you end up ordering from?

have you checked with bmwmercedesparts.com? there web site sucked the last time i looked, but if you call husker bmw, you will get first rate service from their standard service department. the cheapest place i have found by far but sometimes it takes a while for the parts to arrive.
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