1992 BMW 325i M-Technik Convertible FOR SALE SOLDSOLDSOLD

[Constantine]

Bmwdayz, Mr. Wiggles, Reelizmpro, these guys said it all.
1) never call anyone deceptive seller, "not knowing squad about cars", unless you are very sure. ;)
2) have rational knowledge about e30's.
3) never offer 1000$ for white e30 m-technic.



Cheers.

[metalsoul]

Nothing in the PPI report that was posted in the thread is out of the ordinary or to be expected for this car at this price point. The only thing that DOES concern me is the remaining front end damage, which obviously the current owner has been willing to disclose and discuss further with interested parties.

OP, how current are the pics in your CL ad? I will be traveling out to LA soon and may contact you to come see the car for an interested client.

[Constantine]

The pics are current state of the car. You are more than welcome to come over and take a look at it/drive it.
Pm me!

Nothing in the PPI report that was posted in the thread is out of the ordinary or to be expected for this car at this price point. The only thing that DOES concern me is the remaining front end damage, which obviously the current owner has been willing to disclose and discuss further with interested parties.

OP, how current are the pics in your CL ad? I will be traveling out to LA soon and may contact you to come see the car for an interested client.

[metalsoul]

Once I know if "we" are serious or not I'll call you, but until then don't want to waste yours or my time.

[DMSBimmer]

To be entirely clear, I do know what I'm talking about... but am far more certain that Chris at La Jolla Indpendent knows even more... and probably far more than anyone commenting on this thread.

With that said, he valued Constantine's car at "less than $2, 000". Each of you continues to remark about how the car "looks". I think we all know a car is far more than how it looks. This car is a mechanical mess. The paint has been overbuffed to death. And there is a panel on the car that has been repainted with a color otyer than Alpinweiss II!

Metalsoul, what gives you the impression the seller was willing to disclose remaining front end damage? His ad only states that the car WAS in an accident, and he claims that it's now all been repaired. This is a lie. I have emails to supprt that fact and the fact that the seller was either trying to conceal other problems, or has absolutely no clue about automobile maintenance and repair.

[DMSBimmer]

Another point...

This thread is developing into a very important testament that all future buyers need to be fully aware of. We have now seen several individuals offer support for Constantine despite the fact that they have not performed a recent mechanical inspection of the car.

Friendship is apparently stronger than morals. That is a very, very dangerous thing.

Again, the purpose of this thread and my statements is simply to highlight a car that is being untruthfully represented. It is not to start a pissing match. The truth is what it is... even if it hurts.

[robrez]

Another point...

This thread is developing into a very important testament that all future buyers need to be fully aware of. We have now seen several individuals offer support for Constantine despite the fact that they have not performed a recent mechanical inspection of the car.

Friendship is apparently stronger than morals. That is a very, very dangerous thing.

Again, the purpose of this thread and my statements is simply to highlight a car that is being untruthfully represented. It is not to start a pissing match. The truth is what it is... even if it hurts.

People have responded in support of Constantine because you're out of line. The results of the PPI inspection can be said about 50% of the e30s for sale on this board. Based on this for sale thread, he didn't misrepresent anything, plus he offered anyone to check it out and drive it, not to mention getting a PPI. You did your due diligence and the car didn't meet your criteria, 'nuff said.

[Kaotik_Life]

Is the roof leaking or is it just the power mode that is broken? Can it be operated manually? My vert does not have power roof so I'm a bit clueless. I've got cash in hand so this could be settled quickly if the price is right and the roof does not leak.

[metalsoul]

I will thank you for having the moral standing to post your experience, but I will also be clear, I am not "friends" with this seller nor have I ever been in contact with him/them until this thread. And I do value a thorough inspection performed by a credible source. But I also know the value of this particular car and hold my personal inspection above another's based on what my criteria are versus another parties criteria.

[Bmwdayz]

E30 Mtech

After he told you a Mtech 2 vert was worth less than 2 grand how did you continue to believe him? The interior and mtech body kit are worth 2k alone? It seems neither you or Chris know to much about e30's.

[DMSBimmer]

Bmwdayz... a parted car and a car with all parts intact have two entirely different values. Would you drive around in a car with no interior, no body panels, no engine, no transmission, no convertible top, etc., etc.? I beg of you to contact Chris Keefer of La Jolla Independent (a firm that's been around for nearly 50 years) and tell him he doesn't have a clue about E30s.

Robrez, I am NOT out of line by any stroke of the imagination. The seller was completely deceptive about the condition of the car. Period. I have spoken with dozens of individuals over the past year regarding E30s. THAT car in THAT condition is simply not worth $4.5k or anywhere near it. There is no point in comparing the "usual E30" to THAT car.

Kaotik_life.... don't waste your time unless you want one hell of a project at a ridiculous price. That car has much bigger issues than the top.

[frankenbeemer]

Bmwdayz, Mr. Wiggles, Reelizmpro, these guys said it all.
1) never call anyone deceptive seller, "not knowing squad about cars", unless you are very sure. ;)
2) have rational knowledge about e30's.
3) never offer 1000$ for white e30 m-technic.



Cheers.

Did you offer him $1000 for an m-technic?

After he told you a Mtech 2 vert was worth less than 2 grand how did you continue to believe him? The interior and mtech body kit are worth 2k alone? It seems neither you or Chris know to much about e30's.

This is true.

[Bmwdayz]

E30 Mtech

I think your missing the point. The car has interior, body panels, engine, transmission, convertible top, etc., etc. Not just interior and a mtech kit. Thats why its worth more than 2 and not to mention it's good running an driving car! You live in Chicago so I'm not sure why you have so much faith in the Chris guy. He maybe a good mechanic but he doesn't know the value of a car. I'll explain to you why there shop has been in business for so long. In La Jolla there are a lot of rich people that have cars. They know nothing about them so they need to have someone else work on them. La Jolla independent is one of the only shops in the area. If you knew the la jolla area you would understand what I'm talking about.

I'm sure they offered to take your money for all the repair work it needs right after you buy it too:)

[reelizmpro]

La Jolla independent has been around a long long time and they are well respected. At least Carl Nelson is...don't know who Chris is. I asked what they said the car was worth because apparently they rated the car based on condition alone and didn't take into account the rarity of this particular model. So basically, the car is worth the price of the bodykit...a highly sought after kit at that and you tried to offer $1K? this is laughable. I could sell OEM M tech kits along... all day long for $1K. Like Wiggles said, this isn't an E90...this is the E30 game today. You have to keep your ear to the ground to stay up to date with E30 values. I don't know Constantine and his car very well could be a POS but it's a POS with M technic appearance package and that counts for something.

[cactusjacks1]

M-tech II

There's at least 4 m-tech II owners who have responded to this thread & probably more that have read it. Because of their limited production, the data base is small. Over the last 5 years these cars have traded hands for $2200 to $15,500 in conditions from 1-5. Magazine reviews say The car is probably the most attractive e30 produced. They were limited edition. The colored ones are very rare (less than 300 made all colors combined). The alpine ones are not as rare with a production at 2500+. Overall condition has a big impact on value. Low miles get an extra premium - high miles get a deduction. The US model configuration has gravitas & appeal in large quantities. A lot of buyers chase these because of that. All knowledgable sellers tend to use that - some, more than others.

If you estimate the math on this car, post 1 purchase price + add LJI list of "needs" + buy all the parts below MSRP + do most of the labor yourself but don't cut corners, you are around $12,000 without touching the engine/trans as LJI suggests in item 10. Add the engine/trans work & it could be as high as $16 - $18,000. Now, I know there's a lot of you that have gone thru BMW's STEP program or are self taught master mechanics & can take an earned discount off the top - more power too you!!

There is no question, you are going to have a lot of $$ in a car like this. All I'm saying is be aware of that going in. Then your "refurbish/restore/get it all fixed" experience with M- Tech II's will be all praise for the German engineers & the car BMW intended it to be. If your not aware, then your going to be cursing the German engineers with every busted knuckle & "redo" obstacle you hit on the refurbish road. They do tend to grow on you.................