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  • jeffnhiscars
    R3V OG
    • Jun 2011
    • 6010

    #1

    E30 M3 Cabrio

    I spoke w the owner when I was in vancouver last week but unfortunately our schedules did not allow me to see the car. He's an engineer and very straight forward. I'm quite confident it's the real deal.

    https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...3/1942185.html
    Seat Shocks....I have passed the baton to John Christy from Ninestitch. Email John or Garrett at ninestitch1@gmail.com

    https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...86#post4944786
    Alice the Time Capsule
    http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=360504
    87 Zinno Cabrio barn find 98k and still smells like a barn. Build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...20#post3455220
  • 0-60 freak
    E30 Addict
    • Jun 2015
    • 511

    #2
    I saw that car on eBay for a long time, I just don't think it's that nice of a car

    Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
    Current Cars:
    2016 PORSCHE GT3 RS
    2017 FERRARI 488GTB
    2018 RAPTOR CREW CAB
    1991 318is SLICKTOP H&R SPRING SEMA CAR
    1991 318IS SLICKTOP STERLING SILVER
    1990 325ic BRONZIT/AUTO :)
    1989 E30 M3 (SOLD AWAITING SHIPPING)

    On Order:
    2018 DODGE DEMON

    Searching for:
    CLEAN E30'S
    S54 DRIVETRAIN
    E30 DASH
    E30 PARTS

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    • jeffnhiscars
      R3V OG
      • Jun 2011
      • 6010

      #3
      Originally posted by 0-60 freak
      I saw that car on eBay for a long time, I just don't think it's that nice of a car

      Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
      What makes you say that
      Seat Shocks....I have passed the baton to John Christy from Ninestitch. Email John or Garrett at ninestitch1@gmail.com

      https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...86#post4944786
      Alice the Time Capsule
      http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=360504
      87 Zinno Cabrio barn find 98k and still smells like a barn. Build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...20#post3455220

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      • 0-60 freak
        E30 Addict
        • Jun 2015
        • 511

        #4
        I guess I should clarify that, of course it's a nice car, at the time I saw it he was asking 96K. I guess I just don't see it as a 100 K car

        Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
        Current Cars:
        2016 PORSCHE GT3 RS
        2017 FERRARI 488GTB
        2018 RAPTOR CREW CAB
        1991 318is SLICKTOP H&R SPRING SEMA CAR
        1991 318IS SLICKTOP STERLING SILVER
        1990 325ic BRONZIT/AUTO :)
        1989 E30 M3 (SOLD AWAITING SHIPPING)

        On Order:
        2018 DODGE DEMON

        Searching for:
        CLEAN E30'S
        S54 DRIVETRAIN
        E30 DASH
        E30 PARTS

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        • LateE30
          Wrencher
          • May 2017
          • 210

          #5
          holy hell! $90k?!?!?! what the F*** happened to this market?
          '87 Vert, Black, 5-sp
          '15 Civic Si, White - Daily commuter
          '15 MB C300 Sport, White/Cranberry - Wife's

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          • jeffnhiscars
            R3V OG
            • Jun 2011
            • 6010

            #6
            With nice hard top M3s north of $50k and rising a 1 of 786 M cabrio is worth what anyone will pay. One sold a year or so ago at auction for $76k and the owner said another sold for $80 something...so I don't think he's out of line testing the market with his ask.

            If I had seen it my plan was to make an offer and see how motivated he was
            Seat Shocks....I have passed the baton to John Christy from Ninestitch. Email John or Garrett at ninestitch1@gmail.com

            https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...86#post4944786
            Alice the Time Capsule
            http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=360504
            87 Zinno Cabrio barn find 98k and still smells like a barn. Build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...20#post3455220

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            • parkerbink
              R3V OG
              • Jun 2004
              • 10137

              #7
              It is very nice but for 90k there are lots of nicer cars. (imho)

              We brought a CRV from Mexico in 2007 when we moved back and had a hell of a time making people understand 105k KM are 65k miles when we sold it in 2014.

              [IMG]https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/my350z.com-vbulletin/550x225/80-parkerbsig_5096690e71d912ec1addc4a84e99c374685fc03 8.jpg[/IMG

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              • JimmyP
                Grease Monkey
                • Dec 2007
                • 394

                #8
                I don't get the surprise,,, the car is rare.
                People are paying that and more for fake / clone RS 911s.

                This on the other hand is a real, hand built, one of under 1000 M3 Cabrios.
                In the same ballpark production wise as a Sport Evo and an Evo 2 which are easily selling for "over" that number.
                Just because its based on an E30 and this is an E30 list and everyone thinks E30s are worth $1000 doesn't make it not worth it.

                Rare version of a homolgation special car that has become an icon.
                Jimmy P.
                87 E30 M3 Prodrive British Touring Car
                88 E30 M3 Zinnoberot - Garage Queen
                88 E30 M3 Lachsilber - SCCA SPU #98
                92 M Technic Cabrio - S14 Powered!
                98 318Ti Morea Green
                04 Ford F350 Dually Tow Machine

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                • cale
                  R3VLimited
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 2331

                  #9
                  Originally posted by parkerbink
                  It is very nice but for 90k there are lots of nicer cars. (imho)
                  A completely irrelevant approach to putting a price on collector vehicles.

                  This car will sell for asking.

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                  • parkerbink
                    R3V OG
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 10137

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cale
                    A completely irrelevant approach to putting a price on collector vehicles.

                    This car will sell for asking.

                    Where did I say I was setting the value?

                    I said for me, there are many other places I'd put 90k.

                    The only way I see it selling for that much is at an auction with several bidders intent to win.

                    [IMG]https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/my350z.com-vbulletin/550x225/80-parkerbsig_5096690e71d912ec1addc4a84e99c374685fc03 8.jpg[/IMG

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                    • getouth
                      No R3VLimiter
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 3343

                      #11
                      The E30 M3 market is the most entertaining thing on the web right now!
                      FEEDBACK:
                      http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=316212

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                      "The Best E30's were built with two camshafts four cylinders and sixteen valves!".

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                      • Todd Black 88
                        No R3VLimiter
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 3449

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JimmyP
                        I don't get the surprise,,, the car is rare.
                        People are paying that and more for fake / clone RS 911s.

                        This on the other hand is a real, hand built, one of under 1000 M3 Cabrios.
                        In the same ballpark production wise as a Sport Evo and an Evo 2 which are easily selling for "over" that number.
                        Just because its based on an E30 and this is an E30 list and everyone thinks E30s are worth $1000 doesn't make it not worth it.

                        Rare version of a homolgation special car that has become an icon.
                        Normally I agree with you Jimmy, but the e30m3 cab is not a homologation car. It's a regular e30 cab with the body parts and engine of a homologated car on/in it. It doesn't feel the same at all, nor does it work the same.
                        It's a factory parts bin car that BMW produced to capitalize on the sales of the M3. It didn't work.

                        You of all people know the M3's S14 belongs above 5500rpm. Try driving a car designed to be a cruiser, above 5500 rpm, all day long.
                        There was no reason to build this thing, other than sales.

                        It's rare, because it's rare. Yes it was hand built, and that's because they found it got in the way on the standard production line.

                        There is nothing special about the way it does anything, and it's not a homologation special.
                        Originally posted by codyep3
                        I hope to Christ you have looks going for you, because you sure as fuck don't have any intelligence.
                        2001 silver/Blk 325 cabby. SOLD
                        1988 Blk/Blk e30 factory wide body kit car SOLD
                        1992 DS/BLK 325 m-tech II apperance pack cabby SOLD!
                        2002 325xit Sil/blk. SOLD
                        2012 328i xdrive touring. Wht/blk. SOLD
                        2009 135 cabby. monacoblue/blk leather SOLD
                        2007 Z4m coupe. Silver grey/black/ aluminum. 1of50
                        2010 F650gs twin
                        2016 M235i cabby. Mineral grey/Red leather

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                        • IronJoe
                          R3VLimited
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 2275

                          #13
                          Looks to be a nice example. Not surprised by the price at all, these have been trading at the USD equivalent for the past few years in Europe. I have been paying pretty close attention to every one that has come up for sale, as I am building a replica.

                          I happen to think the E30 M3 cabrio is a fantastic car. Having more and more seat time in my replica, I can say there's a certain thrill combining the E30 M3 suspension and high-revving S14 with the open-car motoring experience. I have driven standard and modified M20-powered E30 convertibles before and can't say I've ever had the same experience. The song of individual throttle bodies at 8,000 RPM is enjoyed all the more with the top down :devil: Obviously this car isn't for race car drivers. But as convertibles go, it delivers in smiles.

                          It's also a great example of the time period. Combining the race-winning internals of the E30 M3 with the young & affluent BMW cabriolet created a smart/cool/exclusive yuppiemobile. I dig it.

                          As said I'm not surprised by the price. Isn't this one of the rarest production E30s? If not THE rarest? Look at the trend line for the E30 M3 and its variants over the last ~5 years. I wouldn't expect anything different for the cabriolet.

                          Originally posted by Todd Black 88
                          It's a factory parts bin car that BMW produced to capitalize on the sales of the M3. It didn't work.
                          Definitely not a factory parts bin car, Todd. Having spent the better part of two years going through the part numbers, differences, etc, there were significant changes necessary to make to build this car. If anything I'd say the Italian M3 is a good example of a factory parts bin car. This car had front fenders, rear quarter panels, outer fender arches, and side skirts that are different than the E30 M3 coupe. That's a lot of retooling for only 786 examples. There were easier cashgrabs for BMW at the time.
                          Last edited by IronJoe; 10-02-2017, 01:39 PM.
                          '89 Schwarz E30 M3 Cabriolet Build

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                          • Javier h
                            E30 Enthusiast
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 1189

                            #14
                            Agree

                            I see it being a 6 figure car in the future. There was a low mileage 1987 M6 that sold for $90k on that show "Chasing Classic Cars".

                            I was really surprise a few years ago, how much money the M3 e30 verts were fetching considering the production numbers. I expected more.

                            I get the impression that verts in general are not really sought after by BMW enthusiasts but for collectors, its potentially a different story.

                            We'll see.

                            Is that car even legal in California? Please dont say you have to spend another 10 grand to federalize it. Not sure what the rules are about grey market cars anymore.
                            Last edited by Javier h; 10-06-2017, 01:17 PM.

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                            • JimmyP
                              Grease Monkey
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 394

                              #15
                              Hey Todd,
                              Certainly we are both entitled to our opinions on the Cabrio. I never much cared to own one, I always would have rathered put that money towards more race car versions,,, but I do appreciate them for what they are.

                              Keep in mind I did say a rare "version" of a Homologation Special,,, never said the cabrio was a homologation car. :)

                              In my mind the E30M3 Cabrio DOES check all the boxes of a future collectable.
                              Low Production numbers
                              Hand Made
                              Rare paint and interior colors vs. the standard road going versions.
                              Many parts are E30M3 Cabrio only.

                              Many car companies build "trophy cup" versions of their successful cars and thats what the E30M3 Cabrio was.
                              It was a special piece of E30 M3 memorabilia that you could drive,,, that came with the success of their record setting race winning Homologation Special car.

                              My MTech2 S14 Cab is not an M3, but under the skin it has a whole E30 M3 under it.
                              I enjoy the crap out of it with the S14.
                              Yes my red street car is way faster, but honestly on nice sunny days I drive the Cab more.
                              I see no detriment to the M3 drivetrain in the cab.
                              I'd rather it than the M20 if not just for the sound.

                              I hate to pick sides but I am going to respectfully disagree with you and pretty much give a +1 to everything Joe wrote.
                              I'd have to say Joe hit every nail square on the head better than I wrote above.
                              Last edited by JimmyP; 10-03-2017, 10:33 PM.
                              Jimmy P.
                              87 E30 M3 Prodrive British Touring Car
                              88 E30 M3 Zinnoberot - Garage Queen
                              88 E30 M3 Lachsilber - SCCA SPU #98
                              92 M Technic Cabrio - S14 Powered!
                              98 318Ti Morea Green
                              04 Ford F350 Dually Tow Machine

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