Zen Performance Stress Bars

[Fidhle007]

I just don't trust any shop to do any work on my car anymore, had some bad experience with this. I would rather sweat and do it myself, and have peace of mind that it's done and no corners were cut.

You and I agree on this, but only because I'm a tech, at this point I don't want anyone else touching my car!

Before I knew what I was doing I enjoyed doing work on my own car but I would much prefer that someone who knew what they were doing was turning the wrenches on the big stuff. Maybe that's because I was going to shop that was very open about what they were doing and didn't mind taking you through the process as it was being repaired so you understood what was being done and why. That same shop then taught me how to do a lot of stuff myself and once I showed enough aptitude at not breaking my own car they offered me a job. I realize this is not normal but I guess the least I can do is try and treat my customers as I was treated.

[Jean]

I just don't trust any shop to do any work on my car anymore, had some bad experience with this. I would rather sweat and do it myself, and have peace of mind that it's done and no corners were cut.

[Fidhle007]

Only if we finished it in hot pink...makes 'em real stiff.

Hot pink makes ME real stiff... :D

[Fidhle007]

I just want to add: I don't care what you charge, it sounds very fair.

Most people on here don't realize that you have to pay for space, insurance, etc etc etc.

It is like people that complain about my prices. My prices are the best around PERIOD, when you are talking about buying from a legitimate business. I pay rent, insurance, LABOR, taxes, etc. It adds up fast when you are not doing it out of your mom's garage.

That is so true about this site, you could say, "Hey, this shop wants $300 to do my rear brakes" and everyone would scream bloody murder and say it was a rip-off. When you do the math on it that's not that bad though, especially when most high-quality shops charge at least $90 an hour. My shop only charges $60 but it's been that way since '04 so there will be a hike sometime soon. With the economy the way it is it's inevitable.

Sure you can buy the parts from a discount place and do it in your parents driveway on jackstands but when you install something backwards and it breaks, what do you do then? When you go to a shop you are paying for the peace of mind to know that everything is being taken care of properly (any GOOD shop at least) and that if something fails prematurely it will be taken care of on the shops nickel. Providing you didn't drift into an embankment or something...

[Funkmasta]

I just want to add: I don't care what you charge, it sounds very fair.

Most people on here don't realize that you have to pay for space, insurance, etc etc etc.

It is like people that complain about my prices. My prices are the best around PERIOD, when you are talking about buying from a legitimate business. I pay rent, insurance, LABOR, taxes, etc. It adds up fast when you are not doing it out of your mom's garage.

[Funkmasta]

I should have specified, It is was one of the new 7 "post" shakers (7 planes of movement) I didn't want to get into the long explanation. doubted whether any one here would have got it or cared.

Really? E30 owners are some of the nerdiest people I know!

probably won't be for the e30s either. The big guys don't want to build for them anymore.

and that is why they are THE rage for most class of racing?

[DCColegrove]

From pm's:

$800 for a pair of bars + 180 for labor? No thanks, I'll pass. This amount of money could go towards tires or even a roll bar ... or hookers. lol

Go back and read the original post...your math is a little off.

I don't care.

Didn't figure you would. With $400 errors though I hope someone else balances your check book for you.

Will the color effect the total chassis flex on the shaker?

Only if we finished it in hot pink...makes 'em real stiff.

Any plans to test on a seven post?

I should have specified, It is was one of the new 7 "post" shakers (7 planes of movement) I didn't want to get into the long explanation. doubted whether any one here would have got it or cared.

I'm lucky enough to do some work with guys at the top end of the racing industry.

I'm trying to squeeze some time from a friend to test out our new lower brace.

May not happen before it goes into production though...doesn't really matter on this one though...no competition yet, nothing to test against...probably won't be for the e30s either. The big guys don't want to build for them anymore.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Any plans to test on a seven post?

[JGood]

Yes, you are probably right on that one. I've always been a little low on the appropriate behavior scale.

On the Up side of things...

I just picked up the e30 sub brace ( a must for the convertibles...still can't figure haw BMW dropped the ball on that one) prototype from the fabricator for fit and finish testing this afternoon.

So...What color for the Braces when we go into production? Red or black?

Will the color effect the total chassis flex on the shaker?

;)

[JGood]

A lot of elderly people die from falls, loss of equilibrium, brittle bones... probably the cause of the high statistic.

A lot of toddlers die from falls too. "Accident" is the #1 cause of death for children under 12 (or at least it was when I was last presented with the stats).

This is a pleasant way to derail this already kludged thread isn't it...

Your logic takes every last bit of fun out of the vivid picture in my imagination of random people slipping and falling and just dieing.

[DCColegrove]

I just read this thread. Can I have my 8.5 minutes back?

The internet is full of opinions and attitudes.

I submit getting in an epissing match can't be good for business.

Yes, you are probably right on that one. I've always been a little low on the appropriate behavior scale.

On the Up side of things...

I just picked up the e30 sub brace ( a must for the convertibles...still can't figure haw BMW dropped the ball on that one) prototype from the fabricator for fit and finish testing this afternoon.

So...What color for the Braces when we go into production? Red or black?

[parkerbink]

I just read this thread. Can I have my 8.5 minutes back?

The internet is full of opinions and attitudes.

I submit getting in an epissing match can't be good for business.

[DCColegrove]

I did some more research on the 1 in 218 people dieing from falls.

....

According to this, you are approximately twice as likely to fall out of your bed and die, then fall off a ladder and die.

I also find it somewhat intriguing that people are dieing from "slipping, tripping and stumbling" on the same level surface. I mean I've wiped out pretty good before on banana peels and the like, but never died. That's nuts!

A lot of elderly people die from falls, loss of equilibrium, brittle bones... probably the cause of the high statistic.

A lot of toddlers die from falls too. "Accident" is the #1 cause of death for children under 12 (or at least it was when I was last presented with the stats).

This is a pleasant way to derail this already kludged thread isn't it...

[02stu]

I did some more research on the 1 in 218 people dieing from falls.


Type of Accident or Manner of Injury / Deaths / One Year Odds / Lifetime Odds

Falls, Total, 19,656 / 15,054 / 193

Fall on same level from slipping, tripping, and stumbling, 698 / 423,920 / 5,442
Other fall on same level, 5,224 / 56,642 / 727
Fall involving bed, chair, other furniture, 9 / 329,139 / 4,225
Fall on and from stairs and steps, 1,690 / 175,086 / 2,248
Fall on and from ladder or scaffolding, 477 / 620,327 / 7,963
Fall from out of or through building or structure, 533 / 555,152 / 7,126
Other fall from one level to another, 694 / 426,363 / 5,473
Other and unspecified fall, 9,441 / 31,342 / 402



According to this, you are approximately twice as likely to fall out of your bed and die, then fall off a ladder and die.

I also find it somewhat intriguing that people are dieing from "slipping, tripping and stumbling" on the same level surface. I mean I've wiped out pretty good before on banana peels and the like, but never died. That's nuts!

slow day huh

[JGood]

I did some more research on the 1 in 218 people dieing from falls.


Type of Accident or Manner of Injury / Deaths / One Year Odds / Lifetime Odds

Falls, Total, 19,656 / 15,054 / 193

Fall on same level from slipping, tripping, and stumbling, 698 / 423,920 / 5,442
Other fall on same level, 5,224 / 56,642 / 727
Fall involving bed, chair, other furniture, 9 / 329,139 / 4,225
Fall on and from stairs and steps, 1,690 / 175,086 / 2,248
Fall on and from ladder or scaffolding, 477 / 620,327 / 7,963
Fall from out of or through building or structure, 533 / 555,152 / 7,126
Other fall from one level to another, 694 / 426,363 / 5,473
Other and unspecified fall, 9,441 / 31,342 / 402



According to this, you are approximately twice as likely to fall out of your bed and die, then fall off a ladder and die.

I also find it somewhat intriguing that people are dieing from "slipping, tripping and stumbling" on the same level surface. I mean I've wiped out pretty good before on banana peels and the like, but never died. That's nuts!