Zen Performance Stress Bars

[02stu]

E 1st, I don't recommend the aluminum bar on the street, the control of chassis flex is comparable to the steel, however I feel that there are crashworthiness issues because the possibilities of shearing and intrusion in a collision.

C: as to a client base, no not really.

A: $405 isn't a lot of money for a front and rear brace. Some people here don't read (or do the math) very carefully.

B&D: Better control of flex is better control under any condition, and this bar will fit all e30's including the M10 and M42 power plants.

[b]A: You got me there, I thought it was for the front only.

[DCColegrove]

I have been following this for awhile and I am going to point out a few things.

A) You may have a nice part, but that is more money then a lot of people, including me, paid for their e30.

B) You have engineered a part that only has value over a Sparco in a serious competitive track setting. A setting which you would most likely have a cage and therefore not see the gain.

C) This is your customer base you are talking to right now, this is the biggest e30 community. If you can not prove your product right here, you are in trouble.

D) You need a real way to quantify the gains. The 300% reduction you are speaking about is really impossible to believe under normal conditions. Gustave does a really good job describing how a strut bar reduces camber changes on his site e30m3performance.com.

E) HOW CAN YOU OFFER THE SAME DESIGN IN TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS!!!!! That makes no since at all considering the difference between steel and aluminum. I would love to see a comparison between your aluminum bar and the Sparco bar.

E 1st, I don't recommend the aluminum bar on the street, the control of chassis flex is comparable to the steel, however I feel that there are crashworthiness issues because the possibilities of shearing and intrusion in a collision.

C: as to a client base, no not really.

A: $405 isn't a lot of money for a front and rear brace. Some people here don't read (or do the math) very carefully.

B&D: Better control of flex is better control under any condition, and this bar will fit all e30's including the M10 and M42 power plants.

[02stu]

I have been following this for awhile and I am going to point out a few things.

A) You may have a nice part, but that is more money then a lot of people, including me, paid for their e30.

B) You have engineered a part that only has value over a Sparco in a serious competitive track setting. A setting which you would most likely have a cage and therefore not see the gain.

C) This is your customer base you are talking to right now, this is the biggest e30 community. If you can not prove your product right here, you are in trouble.

D) You need a real way to quantify the gains. The 300% reduction you are speaking about is really impossible to believe under normal conditions. Gustave does a really good job describing how a strut bar reduces camber changes on his site e30m3performance.com.

E) HOW CAN YOU OFFER THE SAME DESIGN IN TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS!!!!! That makes no since at all considering the difference between steel and aluminum. I would love to see a comparison between your aluminum bar and the Sparco bar.

[Turf1600]

Great advertising.

[DCColegrove]

Hey, if top dollar parts make your pants get tight, so be it, if your a checquebook modder who loves big dollar invoices in your glovebox to get extra status, so be it, I have a feeling this guys bread and butter comes from the above mentioned niche.

Then there are those of us who know which way turn a screwdriver to tighten things, and know how to save a buck or two towards other mods will not be in his customer list. It's ok, we know where to buy a part without the "best of the best" , "best shit" , or any other dollar spending lingo.

Maybe you should partner with DPI. He sells lot's of bars, bet he could move your superior product too.

/end thread

The reality is you can't develop the equipment we do under a shade tree, nor can it be produced whith a shop bench vise, cheap MIG, and a hack saw. Keep blowing smoke up your own ass if you like.

[DCColegrove]

$800 for a pair of bars + 180 for labor? No thanks, I'll pass. This amount of money could go towards tires or even a roll bar ... or hookers. lol

You don't read very carefully do you.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Hey, if top dollar parts make your pants get tight, so be it, if your a checquebook modder who loves big dollar invoices in your glovebox to get extra status, so be it, I have a feeling this guys bread and butter comes from the above mentioned niche.

Then there are those of us who know which way turn a screwdriver to tighten things, and know how to save a buck or two towards other mods will not be in his customer list. It's ok, we know where to buy a part without the "best of the best" , "best shit" , or any other dollar spending lingo.

Maybe you should partner with DPI. He sells lot's of bars, bet he could move your superior product too.

/end thread

[Jean]

$800 for a pair of bars + 180 for labor? No thanks, I'll pass. This amount of money could go towards tires or even a roll bar ... or hookers. lol

[atomic]

[DCColegrove]

No shit?

Where the fuck is everyone falling from?

Weird isn't it the first time I heard that stat it puzzled me too.

Remember this movie line: On a long enough time line everyone's survival rate drops to zero.

[JGood]

Falling, 1 in 218

No shit?

Where the fuck is everyone falling from?

[JGood]

Here's to quiting.

I see nothing on that chart regarding fighting...

I think everyone is safe here.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I've been a BMW tech for 27 years and in this end of the business since '91. I think I'll survive this (well...if I can quit chain smoking).

Here's to quiting.

[DCColegrove]

This reminds me of my roll bar and roll cage threads.

But dude...didn't you know that the oxyacetylene coat hanger welded pig iron pipe ones available on eBay are 1/2 the price and just as good...

This is an interesting phenomena. I think it's too much television and processed food...Makes it so people can't think...And I don't have the patience any more to explain.

If anyone thinks welding in backing plates and blind nuts while laying in some ones trunk then cleaning re rust proofing the inner wells and re painting the inside of the trunk isn't worth 2 hours of labor at $90 an hour I should invite them to do the job for cheaper.

However, All I can here is some one calling me a liar and a ripoff, from where I failed to grow up that's the way to start a fight...

Come to think of it, there wasn't any way not to start a fight in the old neighborhood. It didn't make me a very nice guy but it sure drove me to work like a fuckin dog to get out of there.

I've been a BMW tech for 27 years and in this end of the business since '91. I think I'll survive this (well...if I can quit chain smoking).

[Farbin Kaiber]

Hey, I give great hugs too. I am just offering what the young man was asking for. I do however not mind giving a helping hand til the guy gets a grasp of how r3v works.