which 24v engine is best for boost

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • bloodshot-e30
    E30 Fanatic
    • Mar 2010
    • 1494

    #16
    Originally posted by nando



    errr what? other than more displacement they're the same motor.
    from everyone that has boosted their 24V motors they all say the M50 was easier to tune because of the more mild cams or something like that i cant remember exactly what all was said just goin from what ive been told by ppl who have done it...

    Originally posted by rThor432


    Where did you (or Active) pull those numbers from? The difference of 1 psi sounds like someone is splitting hairs for no particular reason. And those numbers say nothing about how long the engine will last at any of those pressures. I can run a stock S52 at 30 psi, just not for long. I don't think any of those motors will hold together at 17-19 psi for long enough to call them "reliable", especially on the track.
    yea ryan active told me this with a stock bottom end and a thicker head gasket they can get that much boost and be somewhat realible (so he says)
    i prefer NA or supercharger! lol
    sigpic
    ^Back in the game^
    BUILD THREAD: http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=201281
    FS thread:
    http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=214105

    Comment

    • nando
      Moderator
      • Nov 2003
      • 34827

      #17
      Originally posted by bloodshot-e30
      from everyone that has boosted their 24V motors they all say the M50 was easier to tune because of the more mild cams or something like that i cant remember exactly what all was said just goin from what ive been told by ppl who have done it...
      so, you don't know...

      the cams of the S50/S52 aren't going to make them difficult to tune either, not by a longshot.
      Build thread

      Bimmerlabs

      Comment

      • bloodshot-e30
        E30 Fanatic
        • Mar 2010
        • 1494

        #18
        Originally posted by nando
        so, you don't know...

        the cams of the S50/S52 aren't going to make them difficult to tune either, not by a longshot.
        hmmm good to know just takes a more aggressive tune then right?
        sigpic
        ^Back in the game^
        BUILD THREAD: http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=201281
        FS thread:
        http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=214105

        Comment

        • matt
          No R3VLimiter
          • Oct 2003
          • 3731

          #19
          It takes someone who knows WTF they're doing no matter what motor you have.

          Comment

          • bloodshot-e30
            E30 Fanatic
            • Mar 2010
            • 1494

            #20
            ^^^truth!
            this is why i prefer NA and having someone make my chip :D haha
            sigpic
            ^Back in the game^
            BUILD THREAD: http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=201281
            FS thread:
            http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=214105

            Comment

            • e30polak
              R3V OG
              • Nov 2006
              • 6136

              #21
              Power wise = OBD1 s52

              Best bang for your buck = OBD1 m52

              Cheapest = m50 NV

              The problem with the non-Vanos motor, is the heavy rotating assembly in comparison to the Vanos engines.

              Either way, the 24v engines can handle more power with stock internals then any e30 will ever be able to reliably put down. Don't think about getting over 15 psi on a 24v boosted e30, unless it's purely for drag racing or drifting.
              Check out Undr8d Empire on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Undr8dEmpireLlc

              INSTAGRAM: @UNDR8D_EMPIRE

              Scarlet V2 - #Project333Ti by @castromotorsport, @kingsautobodyshop, @bimmerheads, @hardmotorsport, @excel_motorsports & @mateomotorsports - http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=371356

              Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

              Comment

              • Iain
                R3VLimited
                • Oct 2005
                • 2815

                #22
                Originally posted by e30polak
                Either way, the 24v engines can handle more power with stock internals then any e30 will ever be able to reliably put down. Don't think about getting over 15 psi on a 24v boosted e30, unless it's purely for drag racing or drifting.
                Just means you need to spend more time with an angle grinder, flares and a later model rear-end to go in :)
                Pork Hunt Motorsport

                eBay is like the summit racing catalog for today's special Olympics crowd

                Comment

                • Jean
                  Moderator
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 18228

                  #23
                  Iain - which is beyond the ability of 99% of r3v kiddies. lawl
                  Mtech1 v8 build thread - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=413205



                  OEM v8 manual chip or dme - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho....php?p=4938827

                  Comment

                  • Iain
                    R3VLimited
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 2815

                    #24
                    hey, if they can notch subframes... :)
                    Pork Hunt Motorsport

                    eBay is like the summit racing catalog for today's special Olympics crowd

                    Comment

                    • rThor432
                      No R3VLimiter
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 3907

                      #25
                      Originally posted by bloodshot-e30
                      hmmm good to know just takes a more aggressive tune then right?
                      No, just a different tune. With any custom built N/A or S/C motor you would be best off with a custom tune for your application, just like with turbocharging.

                      Comment

                      • bloodshot-e30
                        E30 Fanatic
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 1494

                        #26
                        Originally posted by rThor432
                        No, just a different tune. With any custom built N/A or S/C motor you would be best off with a custom tune for your application, just like with turbocharging.

                        yea im getting mine dyno tuned in late june when i get my crank and cams
                        sigpic
                        ^Back in the game^
                        BUILD THREAD: http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=201281
                        FS thread:
                        http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=214105

                        Comment

                        • dirtysix
                          E30 Modder
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 806

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Iain
                          Nope, the M52B28 as used in the E36 328i and - I think - the E39 528i. It was the first-gen version, not the M52TU that came later, and had the lightweight block, etc.

                          I don't know what pistons/rods we got in our fuh raze M52B28, but I'm about to find out seeing how I've now got one in the garage needing a full rebuild.

                          We got the good stuff for our M52s as well aaaand a little birdie told me we got others like oil squirters ect.

                          I'll await your comfirmation.
                          sigpic

                          Comment

                          • Syncro325is
                            E30 Addict
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 574

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Iain
                            hey, if they can notch subframes... :)
                            I see what you did there. haha
                            sigpic

                            Comment

                            • SamE30e
                              R3V Elite
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 4319

                              #29
                              Originally posted by nando
                              why specifically? i'd think the forged crank and meaty pistons of the M52B28 are worth something.



                              errr what? other than more displacement they're the same motor.
                              I think the M50NV valvetrain is worth something..

                              M52b28 bottom end M50nv head? lol

                              Doesn't the M50nv have something forged in the bottom end or am I on crack?
                              1985 325e 2.8 Turbo VEMS

                              Comment

                              • nando
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 34827

                                #30
                                the rods are forged, but pretty much every engine has forged rods. They're also quite heavy compared to the M52.

                                I also don't get the M50NV valvetrain. Yay it comes with dual springs? You can put those into any M5x head. who wants crummy old 200k valvesprings anyway?

                                plus the valve stems are thicker. that means the valves are actually heavier..
                                Build thread

                                Bimmerlabs

                                Comment

                                Working...