US s50/52 vs m30b35

[iXguido]

there is no euro s52 its a s50b32. just do a m30 swap, because its cheaper, and your obviously concerned about budget.

AFAIK there was a euro s50b30 and s52b32, the b30 had 286hp and the b32 had 321hp. But I don't want to start an argument over that, and I could be wrong. I'm not concerned about budget, I don't have a lot of money, I'm just willing to save to get what I want.

been in AND driven both. I own an obd2 s52 (with obd1 manifold). my s52 spanks the m30. its even torquier IMO. same gearing basically, my car IS a bit lighter, but its also pulling 17"s

now, IXguido... either engine will need LOTS of $$ to get your power goal of 300c/250whp... NA. The s50b32 swap is very similar, minus the brake setup (booster/MC), minus the ews and you'll need to search about it as i'm not too familiar with that particular swap. Mechanically it should be the same. The thing comes stock with another 85hp over the s52b32 (us s52) consider that... consider you'll have a real good time finding parts here too.

Is your s52 stock minus the OBD1 conversion? Yeah I realize finding parts would be an issue as well. Would it would be more cost effective to build an US s52b32 then? Here is a catch: If you build a US s52b32 you're using all custom parts, why not just replace any worn parts on the euro motor with custom parts? Either way when it comes time to replace/repair, you'll be using custom parts... no?

[etxxz]

been in AND driven both. I own an obd2 s52 (with obd1 manifold). my s52 spanks the m30. its even torquier IMO. same gearing basically, my car IS a bit lighter, but its also pulling 17"s

now, IXguido... either engine will need LOTS of $$ to get your power goal of 300c/250whp... NA. The s50b32 swap is very similar, minus the brake setup (booster/MC), minus the ews and you'll need to search about it as i'm not too familiar with that particular swap. Mechanically it should be the same. The thing comes stock with another 85hp over the s52b32 (us s52) consider that... consider you'll have a real good time finding parts here too.

[e30s52]

there is no euro s52 its a s50b32. just do a m30 swap, because its cheaper, and your obviously concerned about budget.

+1

The s52 will trap faster times then the m30 though ;)

[xwill112x]

there is no euro s52 its a s50b32. just do a m30 swap, because its cheaper, and your obviously concerned about budget.

[iXguido]

Yeah I tend to get carried away with bench-racing too much. I'm just really trying to figure what's the best route to go to get ~300 crank/250whp. I'd rather not have to build the motor as I'm not very confident in that area. From what I want it's looking more like euro s52 or s54. I don't have an unlimited budget, but I'm willing to save to get what I need to get to my goal. And sorry if my sentences aren't very clear, I'm trying to work on that. Only problem I have with the s54 is I'm not really into drive-by-wire, plus all the electrical involved, is too much. So that leaves the s52, which leads me to some other questions. Can the euro s52 be converted to OBD1? How would one go about sourcing a euro s52? Is the swap similar to a regular 24v swap? And lastly, would I be farther ahead just buying an m30b35 for cheap and building it?

[lennon]

i had a hopped up b35 in my e28 in highschool, and it felt faster than my s50 e30 does now. but thats probably because i was 16 and i barely remember the car haha.

[george graves]

^No - the m30 will feel faster. It's the TQ off the line that really kicks you in the ass.

[Lurker27]

The S52 is significantly faster. The M30 will FEEL almost as fast, because peak acceleration will be the same or better, but the time slips will show the S5x as a superior powerplant.

[Wh33lhop]

The M30 is a completely different animal than an S5x. You've got to decide whether you want an expensive screamer or a cheap torque monster that will run forever, no matter what. Forget all this bench racing BS.

And please, if you do an M30 don't do a B34. I have no idea why people swap these motors in while B35s are just as cheap and easy with another 20hp.

[lennon]

why does the OBD1 s52 pull harder than the OBD2? Is there a way to make the s52 match the m30's torque? Will an m30 or s52 be faster off the line since the s50b30 has 240hp/225ft-lbs and the m30 with 208hp/225ft-lbs but from what I understand the m30 makes that power sooner? Also the s52b32 has added torque (240) so will that be faster than the m30 no questions asked? And finally (sorry about all the Q's) which motor is easier to make more power from, m30 or s52b32, from what I understand both can reach 300bhp n/a?

You ask many questions with no capitalization or punctuation or line breaks, so its very hard to read and understand.

The OBD1 S52 "pulls harder" than OBD2 because, when people convert to OBD1, they put on the OBD1 intake manifold with much larger intake runners. This gives a noticeable boost in power to the motor. You can do this without converting the whole system to OBD1, but most people do when putting in an e30, because its a little simpler.

There are really too many variables to answer your bench-racing questions about m30 vs s52. Like condition of the engine, modifications, transmission, rear gear ratio, wheels, tires, etc, etc. You can work out that stuff on your own with a little research.

If money is no object, Im sure you can take an s52 to higher power levels than an m30, but if money is no object, why aren't you swapping in an s54 or euro s50? A rebuilt s52 with high-compression pistons, cams, and maybe some head work could probably hit 300whp with a good tune though. With the money it's going to cost to buy and build that s52, you could buy an s54 or euro motor, but it may well need a rebuild too;)

Of course all this is kind of a moot point if you're not gonna "build" the motor. I just kind of got that impression. Stock for stock with a large budget, my choices would be in this order: s54, US s52/s50, m30. That's just me though. And GeorgeGraves is right about 24v rebuilds costing more than the old 12v motors, especially euro 24v/s54.

Man this is such a broad subject. Deciding what motor to swap in is really something a person has to decide for themselves.

[iXguido]

why does the OBD1 s52 pull harder than the OBD2? Is there a way to make the s52 match the m30's torque? Will an m30 or s52 be faster off the line since the s50b30 has 240hp/225ft-lbs and the m30 with 208hp/225ft-lbs but from what I understand the m30 makes that power sooner? Also the s52b32 has added torque (240) so will that be faster than the m30 no questions asked? And finally (sorry about all the Q's) which motor is easier to make more power from, m30 or s52b32, from what I understand both can reach 300bhp n/a?

[7pilot]

S54s are getting cheaper, S52s are getting even cheaper.
Why bother rebuilding?
They are as disposable as the donor chassis they come from.
My E36 M3 lives in fear of the next $500 E30 I get.:D

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[george graves]

Once you factor in cost - the m30 becomes more attractive. Oh yea, and you kids have fun with that 24 valve rebuild you'll need to do soon...That's gonna to hurt.

[Jean]

If money is not an object then obd1 s52, plus do some bolt ons to it :) B35 pulls hard and is damn quick in an e30, but s52 will probably pull even faster converted to obd1 with some bolt ons. Or just get an s54 as they are dropping in price :)

[rThor432]

I would like to have run my old S52 E30 against a similarly prepped M30 car. My car was as fast as C6 Vettes and a good bit faster than Subie STI's and those Mitsu Evo things*. The S52 is a rocking engine for the E30 chassis. That being said, I haven't driven an M30 E30 to compare, unfortunately.

*I am not Johnny Streetracer and I just described these events for the simplicity-- they deliver the message.