SWAP Thread: '91 325i Sedan - S50b30us

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  • hwy84
    Advanced Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 190

    #31
    Originally posted by 328ijunkie
    No i mean move it farther away from the manifold.
    I apparently don't understand English - are you suggesting that I move the BOOSTER further to the driver's side of the car, or leave the booster where it is now, and move the CLEVIS closer to the driver's side of the car?

    I assume you mean the latter ('cause the further I move the booster, without moving the clevis, the less aligned the rod will be with the booster).

    That picture above is horrifying.

    ...However, I considered something like it, but with a hole through the pedal arm, and a lock pin/bolt through the entire assembly. Too stupid/unsafe?
    Current:
    1991 325i Sedan - S50 Swap
    1988 325i Cabrio

    Past:
    1991 M3
    1991 318is
    1985 325e

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    • 328ijunkie
      Forum Sponsor
      • May 2007
      • 3961

      #32
      If you move it closer to the drivers fender then you can arrange the clevis like i showed allowing it to be positioned perfectly straight. Yes the mounting to the pedal could use some work but it works ;)

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      • hwy84
        Advanced Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 190

        #33
        Originally posted by 328ijunkie
        If you move it closer to the drivers fender then you can arrange the clevis like i showed allowing it to be positioned perfectly straight. Yes the mounting to the pedal could use some work but it works ;)
        EDIT: I made this work: http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=250474

        Understood - Actually, my clevis WANTS to be where yours is pictured, but i angled it way over to the side to get it on the bracket.

        I'll move it, and figure out a solution that will secure it in between the bracket and the arm... maybe zip ties.

        Maybe.

        ;)
        Last edited by hwy84; 06-09-2012, 02:41 PM.
        Current:
        1991 325i Sedan - S50 Swap
        1988 325i Cabrio

        Past:
        1991 M3
        1991 318is
        1985 325e

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        • Mr.SWISS
          E30 Fanatic
          • Nov 2005
          • 1251

          #34
          Would really suck to slam into the ass end of a Windstar because you got shitty brakes and lose it all.

          Order a treehouse booster or one from Dave (Markert MW) and make it right.
          Originally posted by 325Projectz
          don't listen to the diagram... listen to mr. swiss.
          :nice:

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          • hwy84
            Advanced Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 190

            #35
            Originally posted by Mr.SWISS
            Would really suck to slam into the ass end of a Windstar because you got shitty brakes and lose it all.
            I could not agree more. And epic choice on the Windstar in your example. Way more hilarious than a Town and Country.

            In any case, I too consider brake operation critical. It really helps with my lap times. :)

            That's why I went with stock booster: Known braking power and effort, minimal changes to the hard lines, stock master to go with my stock calipers, and generally no worries about compromises in the system.

            However, I was under the impression that the linkage would work on the stock pedal bracket without binding. Since that is not the case, I am going to weld up a new bracket on the pedal arm that DOES line up. This will require drilling a hole into the passenger side of the pedal arm, to allow the pin to pass through it.

            I realize this will weaken the pedal arm, however, I will be welding a big ass piece of steel to the side of it anyhow, which will negate the impact of the drilling.

            The side of the pedal arm, thusly strengthened and built to snugly fit within the clevis of the stock booster rod, will perform exactly as the previous bracket did - using pressure from the steel bracket inside the clevis to compress the brakes, and only relying on the pin to pull the booster rod BACK when releasing the pedal.

            Design and function will be no different from stock in any practical way, and I will retain the "belt and suspenders" approach that combines a shear pin with the clevis to ensure redundancy.
            Current:
            1991 325i Sedan - S50 Swap
            1988 325i Cabrio

            Past:
            1991 M3
            1991 318is
            1985 325e

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            • Mr.SWISS
              E30 Fanatic
              • Nov 2005
              • 1251

              #36
              That's why I went with stock booster: Known braking power and effort, minimal changes to the hard lines, stock master to go with my stock calipers, and generally no worries about compromises in the system.

              I think the ix booster is fine and I have had a swap car with an e21 modded boster before. Besdies, it was made like that from the factory in that configuration as well of course, and it clears the 24V.
              Originally posted by 325Projectz
              don't listen to the diagram... listen to mr. swiss.
              :nice:

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              • 328ijunkie
                Forum Sponsor
                • May 2007
                • 3961

                #37
                I never run stock boosters or IXs on customer cars the boosters I use flushmount with the firewall and don't require remote resivors

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                • hwy84
                  Advanced Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 190

                  #38
                  Booster follow-up

                  So, it turns out that my BOOSTER wasn't binding at all.

                  However, the PIN in the clevis had enough sideways force on it, due to the angle of the clevis, that it created a ton of friction, and wouldn't allow the linkage to freely move. This friction was enough to a) make pedal drag, and b) prevent me from removing the pin without MAJOR force, fiddling, and swearing.

                  I finally got it all out. Without the pin, the whole assembly moved nice and smooth, and the pedal (and booster rod) returned just fine.

                  I therefore had a choice:

                  - Make the pin slightly less thick, so it wouldn't bind, and reassemble...

                  OR

                  - Do it right. http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=250474


                  In the meantime, I have the linkage half-assed, and it works fine, but I don't trust it for the track. However, I have been able to drive the car "with intent"... and holy shit... What a blast!!!
                  Last edited by hwy84; 06-09-2012, 02:42 PM.
                  Current:
                  1991 325i Sedan - S50 Swap
                  1988 325i Cabrio

                  Past:
                  1991 M3
                  1991 318is
                  1985 325e

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                  • 328ijunkie
                    Forum Sponsor
                    • May 2007
                    • 3961

                    #39
                    Good to hear you did the smart thing ;)

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                    • Mr.SWISS
                      E30 Fanatic
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 1251

                      #40
                      I sense a shift in the force of this thread....



                      Win?!?!? :weak:
                      Originally posted by 325Projectz
                      don't listen to the diagram... listen to mr. swiss.
                      :nice:

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                      • hwy84
                        Advanced Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 190

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Mr.SWISS
                        I sense a shift in the force of this thread....

                        Win?!?!?
                        Damn straight, win...


                        ...Finally.:up:
                        Current:
                        1991 325i Sedan - S50 Swap
                        1988 325i Cabrio

                        Past:
                        1991 M3
                        1991 318is
                        1985 325e

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                        • R3Z3N
                          No R3VLimiter
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 3056

                          #42
                          Congrats!

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                          • Mr.SWISS
                            E30 Fanatic
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 1251

                            #43
                            So you want to post your thoughts of your current ix/e32 setup vs. stock? I think the bigger master makes it more touchy personally.
                            Originally posted by 325Projectz
                            don't listen to the diagram... listen to mr. swiss.
                            :nice:

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                            • hwy84
                              Advanced Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 190

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Mr.SWISS
                              So you want to post your thoughts of your current ix/e32 setup vs. stock? I think the bigger master makes it more touchy personally.
                              Will do. Booster is in a box on my desk as I type this... so I can't compare yet.
                              Current:
                              1991 325i Sedan - S50 Swap
                              1988 325i Cabrio

                              Past:
                              1991 M3
                              1991 318is
                              1985 325e

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                              • hwy84
                                Advanced Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 190

                                #45
                                BAR Referee and SMOG (California)

                                For California People:

                                I took the car to the BAR Referee today. I went to the Evergreen Valley College location in San Jose.

                                Short version: Passed visual, failed sniffer. Questions at end of post.

                                Long version:

                                The guy there was pretty "by the book" and did the entire visual inspection and smog test without saying a word. It was clear that I wasn't going to get a chance to discuss any mods, tweaks or stories with him during the inspection.

                                I have a fairly stock S50, with a stock 95 M3 center section, including cats. The only potential worries were:

                                - S52 Manifolds
                                - K&N Cone Air Filter
                                - Dinan Chip
                                - Lightened Flywheel (Machined M20)
                                - M20 Evap Cannister (Not S50)

                                Before the inspection, I discussed the Cone Air filter with the guy, and he said that as long as the MAF and intake BEHIND the filter were stock, he had no problems with it.

                                I passed "visual" - and he took his time. Mirrors, flashlights, the whole nine. He probably spent 15 minutes poking around the car.

                                Then he did the SMOG test. I am fortunate to live in a rural part of the bay area (yes, they still exist) so I don't have to pass on the rollers - just the old school idle and 2500 RPM test, and only tests HC and CO. (No specific NOx test).

                                I failed the test, on HC at idle. Everything else passed fine.

                                Idle: HC MAX = 100, HC MEASURED 110
                                2500: HC MAC 120, HC MEASURED 14

                                I need to make sure my TPS is actually registering closed when the throttle is closed, check my ICV, and run out some old gas still left in the tank. I am also going to run some fuel injector cleaner through the next tank of gas, in case my unknown injectors were sticky and leaky... though the clean-ass 2500 RPM number seems to indicate that isn't the problem.

                                My idle is a little "lopey" with the light fly... is it possible that the ECU is adding fuel to try to smooth out the dips at idle? Seems unlikely, but possible.

                                Thoughts are welcome. Overall, I am pretty happy with the results, since now I just need to focus on SMOG, and not worry about the equipment.
                                Current:
                                1991 325i Sedan - S50 Swap
                                1988 325i Cabrio

                                Past:
                                1991 M3
                                1991 318is
                                1985 325e

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