M60b40 VS s50b30 E30 Swap

[e30polak]

32v > 24v It's proven mathematically.

Not when you look at hp/liter or power potential. :p

I'm a huge v8 fan, but the only BMW v8s I care for are the s62 and the s65.

As far as keeping it BMW, as long as it's not in an M3, then LS1 > all other options. I don't care what anyone's argument is, there is no better OVERALL option that is worth the effort IMO.

LS1 > S54 > S50/2 > M60/2

[The Humjet]

^^^
+1
I say get neither and look for an American v8 like the ls1 another great motor. On paper they seem a bit old fashioned with its push rod design and 16v. But it makes up for that with its 4 bolt mains, COP and 300 odd HP out of the box. And they are cheap.
The m60 is just too tame. Not as much HP more expensive to maintain and not enough aftermarket support.
Sorry to mess up this thread. No ones got a gun at his throat forcing him to choose one of the two. if he can get an LS motor or Windsor for the same price or cheaper and get better results then why not.

[MattM]

im really surprised at the results of this poll.

The only thing the M60 has going for it is the fact that its a V8. Besides that its a huge and heavy chunk of iron thats not very efficient on gas, and doesnt have THAT much more power by the time you consider the weight difference. Not to mention the scale of the project. M/s5x engines are a walk in the park. Pretty much the easiest non-stock engine swap i have seen for ANY car. Anyone who can spin a wrench and connect about a dozen wires can do it. To do a clean swap just adds respect points. an M60 swap is a completely different ballgame. Custom engine mounts, custom transmission mounts, and custom brake system are 3 things that instantly come to mind.

Bmw made a name for themselves from their inline engines(mainly 6.. but many good 4's too) for a reason....

[416stroker]

2005 up 5.3 L33>ls1>s50>m60. The lh7 has front sump pan and is alloy blocked. it shouldnt be beat to shit and and you can run it on ls1 electronics so you dont have to get the stock ecu reflashed for a manual conversion and its in you budget and there pretty comon.

and m60s sound like shit IMHO


edit:the l33 is basically a ls2

[Mr. Burns]

Excellent. That's for the clarification. I suppose there are many ways to go about it, the trick is to find the right"recipe". Exactly what I was looking for.

Cheers

[VinniE30]

Besides that its a huge and heavy chunk of iron

It's an aluminum block.

[VinniE30]

S65 would be the best ideal swap ever IMO.(If money is not a factor)
For a V8 it's relatively light and small/compact. Not to mention it would result better weight distribution than an I6, being shorter. And it makes great linear, high revving power, perfect for an e30.
It would also be very unique, going the route less traveled.

[MattM]

It's an aluminum block.

ehhh point still valid... ;)

[Mr. Burns]

I grew up with bigblock domestics. I've had my fill of dsm's. Chev, ford dodge. All have that unmistakable american torque. My last car was a LS1 fd RX7.

I'm sticking with bmw, and the e30 chasis. Love the simplistic euro lines, and bmw has some fairly diverse option when looking for torque. The M60 appeals to me due to the ease of availability of parts, and the ease to foster some badass v8 pull. I'm staying with bmw as that was the goal from the start.

Moments of weakness lead to s50 ineterest after a ride in a S50 track car at a lapping day.
I'm sticking all bmw with this one. The FD japanese cross breed LS1 was enough of a challenge.

Whoever said M60 sound like shit....get yer ears checked :-p

[SkiFree]

Sounds like you have already made up your mind. Good luck, be sure to do a proper build thread.

.... Some inspiration

BMW E30 V8 by andrewadamsdesign&auto, on Flickr

[416stroker]

Whoever said M60 sound like shit....get yer ears checked :-p

compaire a build m60 to a LSX tell me what sounds better. Dont even get me started on the sound of v-8s nothing beats the sound of domestic . The brutalness just isnt there with bmw motor s or m motor.

But I grew up in a family of hot-roders and muscle cars.

[Acehye559]

The m60/m62 isnt that much heavier than a s50/s52.

[The Humjet]

Neither is the ls1. I heard they're lighter than an rb25.
I live in a world where the lsX just rules the streets. My mate had an ls1 powered Aussie muscle car and he just did an intake, exhaust and tune and power went from 340hp (at the flywheel) to 370whp. Thats just on simple mods. You couldn't get those gains with an m60.
And OP if you think the ls1 into an fd rx7 was enough of a challenge then don't think it'll be any easier putting an m60 into an e30. If you want something different to your old ls1 then build a 347ci Windsor

[bmwmech1]

I'm sticking with bmw, and the e30 chasis. Love the simplistic euro lines, and bmw has some fairly diverse option when looking for torque. The M60 appeals to me due to the ease of availability of parts, and the ease to foster some badass v8 pull. I'm staying with bmw as that was the goal from the start.

Whoever said M60 sound like shit....get yer ears checked :-p

Funny how these threads get off track with everybody wanting to add in their "IMO" posts... way to keep it focused, lol! I looked a little and didn't find a definitive weight comparison, but IIRC, the M/S6x weighs about 60 or so lbs more than the M/S5x, but its significantly shorter. Really, if you think about it, the V8 is no longer than the S14 and the E30 M3 has always been praised for it's handling. I'm sure the V8 weighs more than the s14, but probably not much more. I'm sure you'll have fun with the project, both while doing it and when it's done. I can't wait to get mine on the street in the spring!

Garey

[Jean]

im really surprised at the results of this poll.

The only thing the M60 has going for it is the fact that its a V8. Besides that its a huge and heavy chunk of iron thats not very efficient on gas, and doesnt have THAT much more power by the time you consider the weight difference. Not to mention the scale of the project. M/s5x engines are a walk in the park. Pretty much the easiest non-stock engine swap i have seen for ANY car. Anyone who can spin a wrench and connect about a dozen wires can do it. To do a clean swap just adds respect points. an M60 swap is a completely different ballgame. Custom engine mounts, custom transmission mounts, and custom brake system are 3 things that instantly come to mind.

Bmw made a name for themselves from their inline engines(mainly 6.. but many good 4's too) for a reason....

hahahaha.... LOL so your main argument is M/S5x is easier so it's better?

You have no clue on the difference between the two, the importance of torque and you say it's a big chunk of iron when it's aluminum?!

Great job, maybe next time actually get INFORMED on the subject before posting BS.