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    Dissapointment. TRM vs. Turner chip comparison.

    This isnt exactly an 24v swap thread but it pertains to tuning options when going 24v. Plus having owned a few e30s myself and done a few m5x swaps id rather share this experience with you guys since i like hanging out here better.

    I just recently obd1 swapped my 97 e36 m3 which prior to the swap still had the stock tune. After waiting on the chip from TRM to come for a week it was a dissapointing experience when i actually put it in...
    Before i explain my experience ill list the two chips in question and my mods:

    My car:
    -Obd1 s52
    -540 HFM(800)
    -24# injectors
    -m50 manifold
    -short ram intake
    -Raceland longtubes
    -full 3" straight pipe
    -uuc 8.5 fw/m5 clutch

    TRM chip:
    -s52
    -m50 manifold
    -540 HFM
    -24lb injectors
    -91 octane
    -ltw fw

    Turner chip:
    -s50
    -540 hfm
    -24 lb injectors

    Prior to recieving the TRM chip I had been running my buddies turner s50 chip to drive around on for about 2 days(maybe 15 miles max, i live in a 3 mile radius collegetown, GO COUGS!). I had been really impressed with the turner chip. The torque curve was vastly improved. I had way better torque from 3k rpm up, even the top end felt substantiall stronger, throttle response was much better too. Thinking the trm tune would be even better i couldnt wait to put it in.

    After putting it in and going for a drive the car felt slower. Throttle response was about the same but the torque just wasnt the same. I felt like the turner had the same amount of torque at 3k that the trm did at 3.5k rpm. Even the top end with the trm chip felt weaker. I drove it around for about 15 miles on purpose to give the new chip time to adjust and hone in on its afrs. Still the trm chip didnt feel as strong

    Before you ask i dont have any datalogging or 30-70mph or 60-100mph times to verify. I am going to go out tomorrow and swap chips back to back and do some 30-70s etc to verify.

    With all the great talk about trm going on i was expecting more. I guess to some extent it was hype?

    And before anyone asks i havent experienced any knock,detonation or negative side-effects of running the turner tune.
    Last edited by thedean; 11-03-2011, 09:34 PM.

    #2
    you must have a bum one?! Have you talked with Matt about it??? I researched a load of chip manufacturers, scoured results and reviews...and bought a TRM. I love my S50.

    3.5 intake
    pink top injectors
    raceland long tube headers
    3 inch exhaust
    lightweight flywheel
    '87 325ic, powered by S50.

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      #3
      I know the chip I got from TRM for a very similar setup was well worth the money. No complaints here. Def contact matt, he is very helpful.

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        #4
        have you dynoed the difference? ass dynos aren't exactly scientific. Neither are doing street pulls to whatever MPH you choose.

        in any case, if you really do have a problem it would be a good idea to talk to matt first.
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          #5
          Matt's (Mr. 325) TRM performed equally to my TMS chip for my OBD1 S52, even though his was for 21.5 injectors and I had 24 lb (which the TMS chip was "tuned" for). However my RMS dyno tune blew the other 2 out of the water.

          The Conforti chip had a lot of flat spots in it, and ran pig rich up top. I was very dissatisfied with that tune after getting my dyno tune.

          From everyone else's experience, TRM seems to be the best choice.
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            #6
            Thanks for the input guys. It is possible that I could have a "bum" chip or the wrong chip. The chip says all the mods correctly on it though...Minus the m50 manifold, but there wasnt anymore room...

            Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against TRM and have heard nothing but great reviews from them. Hence why I bought their chip. Maybe they did send me the wrong chip? I'll contact Matt and ask.
            Last edited by thedean; 10-06-2011, 12:39 PM.

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              #7
              Update?

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                #8
                I've been super busy with my classes so I haven't really got around to contacting Matt. I've had multiple people ride in the car though and they have agreed the turner is better. Even my roomate who has an identical obd1 swapped s52 setup to me has swapped out the 2 chips and we both agreed that the turner is better.

                Again I have not contacted Matt yet so I am not in any way saying that TRM sells a bad product. This is not a judgmental thread, but rather an informative one.

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                  #9
                  So, wait. You have an M50 manifold but didn't specify that when you ordered the chip? Or is it just not labeled on it?

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                    #10
                    These butt dyno's don't prove anything really... you should really dyno this thing with both chips.
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                      #11
                      Lol butt dyno comparisons?
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jean View Post
                        Lol butt dyno comparisons?
                        but my ass is more sensitive!!!
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                          #13
                          you don't need a dyno test to tell if a car is running poorly or has flatspots. and before the flame, I do have a TRM in my m50tu swap and runs mostly fine, BUT I have noticed that the older chips run better than the ones that have been purchased more recently.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Mr Two View Post
                            So, wait. You have an M50 manifold but didn't specify that when you ordered the chip? Or is it just not labeled on it?
                            I did specify and the chip is for a s52 w/ m50 manifold. I never said a butt dyno was accurate. Where I live there aren't too many non-cop infested stretches of highway to do an accurate roll on so it's hard to be come up with actual documentation at the moment.

                            There is a dyno day near me on the 12th. I could potentially have the opportunity to swap the chips at that dyno. Do a run with one. Then swap in the other go drive it around for a half hour or so, come back and dyno that one. If any one wants to pitch into the dyno charity I'd be happy to accept contributions. I know there are VERY few back to back dynocharts available comparing different chips...

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                              #15
                              What's it cost?
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