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    ever seen a pressure plate almost saw a transmission in half?....seriously

    First, specs of car: 91 318is with s52/zf tranny swap, e30 325i clutch and flywheel

    So last week, I started noticing some chatter in my clutch that sounded just like a throw out bearing going bad. So I ordered a new one, and was just waiting to get a free day to get into the shop to change it out. Then one day I crank the car, and its making a TERRIBLE noise coming from the bottom back side of my motor, like shoving something into a metal fan blade that was spinning at the same speed as the engine. The horrible noise increased in speed proportionally with engine speed, in gear and in neutral, with clutch depressed or released, under load while moving and while sitting still. Oddly enough, the clutch was operating perfectly, engaging as it should and shifting smoothly. So I figured maybe a broken or loose bolt in the flywheel. Having no towing options, and being only about 2 miles from home, I decided to gently drive the car to my house. It drove perfectly, aside from sounding like it was about to fly to pieces. So after spending about 4 hrs getting the tranny out (NOT a fun job and almost impossible without pulling the motor, but I managed to do it), this is what I find. I knew it wasnt going to be good when I pulled the slave cylinder out and found it filled with aluminum shavings...:

    Note the ninja star-like appearance of the pressure plate where the sheet metal ripped from the three rivets that hold the flywheel contacting surface on (sorry not sure of the technical name of this piece)
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    inside of the bell housing on transmission
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    side of transmission where the pressure plate cut ALL THE WAY THROUGH
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    The clutch disk looked perfect, barely worn. The flywheel surface was perfect also, with zero signs of slippage

    Both of my friends who are BMW mechanics said that in 20+ years of work they have neither seen or even heard of this type of failure. Have you guys ever seen anything like that?!

    I think just a few more miles would have sawed it completely in half!! Tranny is at a highly reputable aluminum welder today for a hopefully successful repair of circumferential cut, I will update how this repair and reassembly progresses. Wish me luck lol

    #2
    Holy crap!

    No, I've never seen anything like that.

    Incredible. I never would have guessed it.

    d.hitchcock
    STX e30
    No. 10/110 STX: 1989 325i
    DD: 1991 318is slicktop

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        #4
        I replaced a bellhousing on an m22 rockcrusher mounted to a 396 that did that.

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          #5
          Actually it is not that unusual. Those are the "straps" that people refer to on the pressure plate. More straps = better. I'd look for one with at least 3, probably 4. Alternatively Bimmerworld has a strapless solution that avoids the issue altogether but it isn't a cheap solution.

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            #6
            Originally posted by TSI
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              #7
              Originally posted by gobuffs View Post
              Actually it is not that unusual. Those are the "straps" that people refer to on the pressure plate. More straps = better. I'd look for one with at least 3, probably 4. Alternatively Bimmerworld has a strapless solution that avoids the issue altogether but it isn't a cheap solution.
              Thanks for the info

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                #8
                Im-fucking-pressive

                Originally posted by Roysneon
                $5 shipped?
                Originally posted by MarkD
                You are a strange dude, I'n not answering any more posts from you.

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                  #9
                  welcome to G260 clutches. Seen this happen too many times.

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                    #10
                    This is what makes the five strap pressure plate from clutch masters worth it.

                    You are lucky you don't have shrapnel embedded in your nuts, thighs and calves. After seeing things like this as well as broken flywheels it isn't hard to justify the cost of a JB wheel over lightened stock, two strap pp and unsprung clutches.

                    What clutch were you using anyways?
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                      #11
                      So why the fuck are you using the wrong damn clutch in the first place!?!?! YOU HAVE AN S52 and a ZF!! They match like peanut butter and jelly godamn WTF
                      Originally posted by 325Projectz
                      don't listen to the diagram... listen to mr. swiss.
                      :nice:

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                        #12
                        Had this problem on my turbo car when I bought it in 2004.
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                          #13
                          Seen this happen to Steve Reed's car (tn325i) when he had it supercharged after a hard run on the dragon, it sliced right through the bellhousing.

                          Hardened Steel > Cast Aluminum

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                            #14
                            I had one of my pressure plate straps break after about 100 miles with my S50 swap. It cut a groove in the bellhousing but nothing like what happened to yours. Shiiiit!!! The noise it made was quite alarming!!! I thought that I had broken something in the bottom end of the motor but baffled how it ran so smooth. lol

                            Luckily I didn't have to drive far when it let go since I was still in my neighborhood. It did knock the rod over 3/4 off the slave cylinder, luckily it didn't fall to the bottom. Amazed that I made it as far I did.

                            I replaced with a Clutchmasters stage two set up. Much stickier/better than stock.



                            Last edited by e30rapidic; 02-21-2012, 01:24 PM.
                            '87 325ic, powered by S50.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Janderson View Post
                              Pretty much my face

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