first CA ref attempt. UPDATED, with second attempt..

[ryanc88]

so like the title says i am trying to ref my car in CA. i went to american river college to have it refed. here is some information on my swap.
Motor: s50
Harness: s50
Injectors: stock
DME: remaned sliver label 506
Flywheel: stock s50
Clutch: stock s50
Driveshaft: E36 328i 5spd
Transmission: ZF 320 5 speed, stock e30 manual brace, e21 mounts with agk cups.
Motor Mounts: agk solids.
diff:2.93 LSD
Linkage: z3
Booster: e21
Master: e21
Radiator: '90 325i
Fan: mishimoto 16in puller
Exhaust: s52 manifolds, into x-pipe to magnaflow high flow then to stock e36 m3 muffler.
Intake: modified m20 air box.
Wiring: X20 removed and replaced with C101 connector.
also the head was rebuilt 500ish miles ago, lots of new sensors..

problem number 1)they want documentation proving that the red label 413 is
for the motor. also the ref said my ecu was registering that the car was moving at 18mph while sitting still. so what would cause the ecu to do that? can I even get documentation to prove that it is the correct ecu? or will i have to get a silver label and a chip?

Update:
I switched to a remanufactured silver label 506, the ref is still saying he cant confirm if its the correct DME... Also that his computer is registering my DME reading 18mph sitting still. so that has me a bit frustrated.

problem number 2) the ref said that my cat was not for my motor because its a dual inlet and outlet and not individual cats even though its a direct replacement part.. i guess here im just asking if anybody has some used stock ones for sale? that would be awesome.

Update:
fixed, i got the new cats he recommended.

problem number 3) the numbers on smog where terrible. Im now thinking my cat is shot and that had alot to do with it. im going to do air filter, fuel filter and plugs just the basics because i am not sure the last time it was done. probably should have done that first though... do you think a bad cat would do that? if not what else(besides basic tune up stuff that im going to do) could it be?

Update:

The numbers were much better (see second picture) this time. im still high on HC. Im wondering if a can of seafoam will do the trick



Second Attempt:

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Ryan
I'm in sac also and working on my swap and defenetly will work towrads BARing the car. Also the NO measurements are consistant with bad cats. I had similar numbers on my eta and rhe cat was toast. Put a hew one and smog pass with flying colors. I payed 235 for the cat (single)

[36brua]

89I M50 OBD 1 I had this BAR’d and passed at Skyline College late last year.
413 Red DME; Ref had me pull the DME. He ran the ser# on the DME to chk its application. He was able to tell me what yr/car it came from, last mileage car was smogged and it was in the Sacto area ! AND that the 413 was not stk to the M50 but it was in the ‘same family’ OBD1 control so he accepted it. Isn’t the 413 is stk with the 95 S50?
CATS: your 2>1 won’t pass. You need stk set up which I beliieve was 2 cats and 1 O2 sensor diagram from Real OEM
i
you can install a used stock setup or go aftermarket. Remember this is CALIF. I used Walker Exh. replacements. If you go aftermarket have the installer place the mdl # down so the ref can read it. Reff will chk application on computer or parts book. Also it doesn’t hurt to take printed info with you. Download from mfg. site. The day I went the ref couldn’t access the walker site but he accepted my info. I can’t help with the speed situation.

[Danny]

Red 413 is not the stock ecu for a 95 S50. That would be a silver 506 DME. You need two individual cats. The dual in dual out is stock replacement for an M50, not an S50. Looks like you do indeed have a bad cat according to your numbers. Try to get the car BAR'd in a different location. Certain guys are more lenient than others.

[ninety4e36]

just my $.02 but why waste all the time and money to have it BAR'd when you can just pay $160 to have it "pass"?

[Danny]

It really isn't that much more time and money if you do it correctly. If you use the correct parts and do your research you can pass the first time. It costs $8.50 to take the BAR test and it counts as your smog for 2 years. Then you get the sticker and can sell the car without issues, also helps with insurance if you're looking to get a declared value policy. Hard for insurance companies to cover the value of your engine swap without it being legal. Also, you won't ever be hassled by the cops. Not that you would, being as the 24v motors look pretty stock in the bay but its nice piece of mind.

Plus, "hot smogs" get more expensive every year.

[2mAn]

Im getting ready to do a M52 swap in my car and want to make it appear to be a OBD1vanos M50. Im using the OBD2 S50 exhaust manifolds, but everything else should appear to be OBD1 but Im also using the red label 413. Is there anything I should do with the manifolds to help my cause?
OP: Hopefully the cats solve the problem and you get the sticker, I am a big fan of people who ref their swaps

[Danny]

2man, they probably won't notice the exhaust manifolds. I wouldn't worry.

[36brua]

Red 413 is not the stock ecu for a 95 S50. That would be a silver 506 DME. You need two individual cats. The dual in dual out is stock replacement for an M50, not an S50. Looks like you do indeed have a bad cat according to your numbers. Try to get the car BAR'd in a different location. Certain guys are more lenient than others.

thanks for the correction. dont know about the dual in /out. In my case Ref was looking for 2 cats not just 1 ( 94 M50 )

I have S52 ex manifolds- paint them black did not question them

[ryanc88]

Thank you for all the responses!

Ryan
I'm in sac also and working on my swap and defenetly will work towrads BARing the car. Also the NO measurements are consistant with bad cats. I had similar numbers on my eta and rhe cat was toast. Put a hew one and smog pass with flying colors. I payed 235 for the cat (single)

thats what i have been told defiantly changing that out. what are you trying to ref?

89I M50 OBD 1 AND that the 413 was not stk to the M50 but it was in the ‘same family’ OBD1 control so he accepted it. Isn’t the 413 is stk with the 95 S50?
CATS: your 2>1 won’t pass. You need stk set up which I beliieve was 2 cats and 1 O2 sensor diagram from Real OEM
i
you can install a used stock setup or go aftermarket. Remember this is CALIF. I used Walker Exh. replacements.

I am going with the cats the ref recommended, unless i can find a better deal. lol. i would be going with just two universal magnaflows that should do the trick.
the sliver label 413 is stock after 1/95. before that its a silver label 503. but i am running a red label 413. from what i understand they are basically the same except the silver 413 has ews (506 does not), longer cam duration and a slightly different fuel map if i remember correctly.

Red 413 is not the stock ecu for a 95 S50. That would be a silver 506 DME. You need two individual cats. The dual in dual out is stock replacement for an M50, not an S50. Looks like you do indeed have a bad cat according to your numbers. Try to get the car BAR'd in a different location. Certain guys are more lenient than others.

I will defiantly be switching the cats to 2 individuals and trying find good deal on a sliver label 506. how would i go about going to a different location? tell them a different address when i make the appointment with the state?

Im getting ready to do a M52 swap in my car and want to make it appear to be a OBD1vanos M50. Im using the OBD2 S50 exhaust manifolds, but everything else should appear to be OBD1 but Im also using the red label 413. Is there anything I should do with the manifolds to help my cause?
OP: Hopefully the cats solve the problem and you get the sticker, I am a big fan of people who ref their swaps

i was worried about that too, but the ref didnt say anything to me about running s52 headers on my s50. so you should be good to go.

[Danny]

No just say you want to go to a different station. Do some research and find where the locations are.

[surebimmer]

My dme had a vin label from a 95 M3.

[MR E30 325is]

My dme had a vin label from a 95 M3.

Winning

[redcabrio]

im running a 94 m50 with s52 cams with the 413 red label with the tuner chip and it passed california bar no problem even with the s52 headers and the KA motors cold air intake

[ryanc88]

I really need to go to a different ref I think.