Have a MMW->TRM/Technica ECU flash?!! New release!

[justin_l_]

Trying to steal some customer, those prices are comparable to a chip! Need any core ecus? I have one I don't need.

[techno550]

Interesting wording there Justin.

if you have a TRM tune and have ANY problems with it, contact TRM directly. Dave has NOT been relaying any issues or ECU's to TRM, only telling his customers that he is, and the issues he did have with how some things were being deleted were fixed many months ago. TRM let MMW know months ago that any ECUs with issues should be sent in directly to be re-flashed, and has yet to see a single ECU from Dave. If you are waiting for Dave to fix it, he won't.

[justin_l_]

I went with Technica, customer service was great. The main reason for going Technica was remote flashing ability. I simply plug a cable into my computer and into the diag port, and a couple minutes later I have a new flash installed good to go. I'm not a big fan of mailing back and forth hence asking if they had to be sent to mmw for a reflash.

[techno550]

The reason TRM offers a hand held datalogger/flasher now is not only to facilitate remote tuning and flashing, but to give enhanced diagnostic abilities by logging everything the engine is doing.

[328ijunkie]

Interesting wording there Justin.

if you have a TRM tune and have ANY problems with it, contact TRM directly. Dave has NOT been relaying any issues or ECU's to TRM, only telling his customers that he is, and the issues he did have with how some things were being deleted were fixed many months ago. TRM let MMW know months ago that any ECUs with issues should be sent in directly to be re-flashed, and has yet to see a single ECU from Dave. If you are waiting for Dave to fix it, he won't.

Mike, Somewhat low of you to come in here when my email didnt warrant a response. Although you seem to have 'turned over a new leaf for 2014' you know very well i was not the only person complaining about communication issues with your shop. I even had to resort to calling your Personal Cell number a few times. Many of the people that tried to directly get in touch with you were unable to either so i again find it baffling that you will attempt to lay this on me in any form or fashion.

And based off our relationship over the years im appaled by your blanket satements.

And again where do you come from with 'He wont fix it"?

[MyE30]

:popcorn:


seriously though, if someone smart enough would do for BMW DMEs what Derek at Hondata did for Honda ECUs you guys would all be friends right now because then you'd be selling installs and dyno time and not "tunes".

[justin_l_]

Dsmlink/ecmlink ftw

[nando]

:popcorn:


seriously though, if someone smart enough would do for BMW DMEs what Derek at Hondata did for Honda ECUs you guys would all be friends right now because then you'd be selling installs and dyno time and not "tunes".

BMW ECU's are fragmented. BMW is often at the cutting edge of engine management - they change things so fast that nothing from 5 years ago applies to today's computers. Something like a Hondata just isn't possible because there's no generic computer used by all BMWs. you'd have to hack hundreds of modules and each module has 2 dozen software versions. MSSV70 has 8,000 maps and curves for example, and that's almost 10 years old. A relative dinosaur like MS41 has several hundred and that's difficult enough..

ok, well, it's not impossible, but nobody would be able to afford it and it would take years to develop, by which time it would already be obsolete. Just look at SharkEdit.

[MyE30]

BMW ECU's are fragmented. BMW is often at the cutting edge of engine management - they change things so fast that nothing from 5 years ago applies to today's computers. Something like a Hondata just isn't possible because there's no generic computer used by all BMWs. you'd have to hack hundreds of modules and each module has 2 dozen software versions. MSSV70 has 8,000 maps and curves for example, and that's almost 10 years old. A relative dinosaur like MS41 has several hundred and that's difficult enough..

ok, well, it's not impossible, but nobody would be able to afford it and it would take years to develop, by which time it would already be obsolete. Just look at SharkEdit.

I don't think you are familiar with Hondata (why would you be this is an E30 forum) considering the statement you made about "generic computers". The Kpro, one of Hondata's products, is an add-on to some K-series ECUs for a Honda motor. It is fully tunable at the end user level through a USB cable that connects to a laptop. This system takes care of two different cam lobes on each cam and 0-50 degrees of adjustable cam timing in real time and that's only speaking to about .5% of what it does. That's air/fuel, variable valve lift control, and variable timing control at the same time compared to BMW's VANOS is only variable timing. We're talking 220 hp from a stock 2.0 liter motor. If that's not sophisticated I don't know what is.

How do you suppose "tuners" that are "tuning" MS41s are doing it currently? Voodo?? I'm sure they would like the consumer to think so. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.

IMO the system doesn't exist not because it's too expensive to make but because there hasn't been a computer/electrical engineer, BMW enthusiast that want's to make a living out of selling DME add-ons and making things easier for the DIYers.




but we digress...back to the topic. 328ijunkie, much would it be just to flash out EWS and OBDII non-essentials? No "performance tunes"?

[328ijunkie]

The honda market also has something the BMW one doesnt, volume... Selling a DIY interface wouldnt be a huge undertaking. Send out a Dcan cable with a cd with flashing software and a tunerpro xdf and so on but who would pay for this and how much? From there whats to stop everyone from just redistributing it?. Hondata is a different rodeo because it either takes the place of the ECU or runs in conjunction with it, thus the creater can recoupe his engineering/time costs by selling the hardware which is alot more difficult to replicate in addition to not being cheap. Who would want it? Everyone obviously will say up front they will but when it comes down to it everyone may not be around to purchase, becoming diy tuners also has hurdles that can include blowing up motors lol.

If i sold a 300$ cable like hondata does and gave out all the maps and stuff would everyone would still complain?

Any ways "MyE30" shoot me a PM/email about your specific needs, we can work something out. Im trying to get away from doing individual things but its not a big deal.

Thanks!

[Wanganstyle]

:popcorn:


seriously though, if someone smart enough would do for BMW DMEs what Derek at Hondata did for Honda ECUs you guys would all be friends right now because then you'd be selling installs and dyno time and not "tunes".

Tell the hondata guys to make it for bmw. If it works as well as for Hondas I'll buy one.

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[nando]

I don't think you are familiar with Hondata (why would you be this is an E30 forum) considering the statement you made about "generic computers". The Kpro, one of Hondata's products, is an add-on to some K-series ECUs for a Honda motor. It is fully tunable at the end user level through a USB cable that connects to a laptop. This system takes care of two different cam lobes on each cam and 0-50 degrees of adjustable cam timing in real time and that's only speaking to about .5% of what it does. That's air/fuel, variable valve lift control, and variable timing control at the same time compared to BMW's VANOS is only variable timing. We're talking 220 hp from a stock 2.0 liter motor. If that's not sophisticated I don't know what is.

How do you suppose "tuners" that are "tuning" MS41s are doing it currently? Voodo?? I'm sure they would like the consumer to think so. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.

IMO the system doesn't exist not because it's too expensive to make but because there hasn't been a computer/electrical engineer, BMW enthusiast that want's to make a living out of selling DME add-ons and making things easier for the DIYers.

You misunderstand me and obviously don't know what it takes to code a DME.

I was talking about the Honda computers being somewhat generic - I don't mean that they aren't technically capable, but there are a few computers that are similar that run many different engines. Making a "hondata" that fits BMWs that all have wildly different architecture (even within a DME family, the program space can be vastly different) isn't an easy challenge.

I know what it takes to code MS41 or any BMW computer. One of three things - a lot of money (to buy definition files leaked from BMW engineers). Stealing other people's tunes (HakkenTT). Or a slow slog of digging through hex code and trying different stuff.

sorry to dave for taking this way off topic, it just bugs me when people who don't know anything about DME programming say stuff like "well the other guys just plug in a USB cable into the computer, and it works!!". If you think no electrical engineers are interested in BMWs you're crazy..

[MyE30]

328ijunkie and nando you've got PM.

[328ijunkie]

fun crowd ;)

[nando]

we worked it out :p