M50 Non Vanos..waste Of Time?

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  • dumpedgti
    Noobie
    • Nov 2006
    • 11

    #1

    M50 Non Vanos..waste Of Time?

    I have the chance to get an M50 non vanos for a good deal, should I swap it, or wait to find a vanos engine? Help the retarded!
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  • mitch500
    E30 Enthusiast
    • Jan 2006
    • 1092

    #2
    to slow you wont be satisfied, s50, or s52 obd1 minimum
    1988 e30 alpine white vert 5speed
    1987 e30 325 eta
    1983 e28 533
    2001 x5 4.4l
    1997 e36 M3 Alpine white 5speed
    1991 Jeep XJ I6 4.0

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    • BUDNUNTA
      E30 Modder
      • Apr 2005
      • 996

      #3
      Its a good replacement for a shot single cam. If you can get it for a deal go for it.
      Im using one for my swap. I didnt get any real deal on one either. I just like the non vanos for its simplicity so, Im just weird I quess.



      Hunter
      We're out there in here.

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      • Brew
        No R3VLimiter
        • Oct 2003
        • 3060

        #4
        As someone who daily drove a non-vanos m50 e30 for a year and a half, and now an s50'd e30 for about 15 months...

        ...not worth it.

        Save your money for M-Powa!
        '91 318is
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        • asubimmer
          R3V OG
          • Jul 2004
          • 6482

          #5
          Originally posted by mitch500
          to slow you wont be satisfied, s50, or s52 obd1 minimum
          noob
          ///Alpinweiß II 24v 91' 318is, Alpinweiß III 99' 323i, 04' Yamaha R6 SE for sale, 00' VW GTi, 83' El Camino BURNED, 01' P71sold, 92' Miatasold

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          • PiercedE30
            R3V Elite
            • Apr 2005
            • 4220

            #6
            I'm with Hunter on this one. But my NV is a little special. :D
            My 2.9L Build!

            Originally posted by Ernest Hemingway
            There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.

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            • madjurgen
              E30 Fanatic
              • May 2005
              • 1203

              #7
              Do you ever wish you had gone S52 Brew?

              As time went on, the factory developed the car each year, making it faster, more comfortable, and capable of handling at higher speeds.
              You don’t want this. You want the trickiest, most dangerous, oldest model you can find. Only then can you prove to the world that you’re a man.

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              • FredK
                R3V OG
                • Oct 2003
                • 14747

                #8
                ask him after he drops a valve.

                JAJAJAJAJAJAJA!

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                • FredK
                  R3V OG
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 14747

                  #9
                  But seriously, if you have a tired M20, an M50 with lower mileage will definitely be a kick in the pants. I've been in a car with a pretty fresh M20 and it pulls pretty hard. If it wasn't very fresh, then I'd consider the NV M50.

                  If it were me, I'd hang around for a Vanos M50, that way upgrading to an S52 would be painless. Just strip all of the OBD-I stuff off the M50 and hang it on the S52.

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                  • Brew
                    No R3VLimiter
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 3060

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FredK
                    ask him after he drops a valve.

                    JAJAJAJAJAJAJA!
                    Hehe, thats especially funny cause I actually thought I did a few weeks ago at NHIS. I overrevved on a 4-3 downshift and had a pretty serious tick that didn't go away. Turned out to be a collapsed lifter though...

                    To answer madjurgen, nah, I'm glad I went with the S50. If I were to go with an S52, I'd probably try to keep the OBD2 anyways. And since this car is going to be a weekend warrior/ track rat after this driving school season, I don't really need/want any more power.
                    '91 318is
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                    • FredK
                      R3V OG
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 14747

                      #11
                      Whew, good thing it turned out to be a collapsed lifter!

                      I think it all depends on sourcing the engine. Sometimes it's easier to find an S52. Sometimes not.

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                      • Low Level E30
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 1646

                        #12
                        I personally like the non-Vanos M50 --- the spiritual successor to the M42, a sturdy beehive that likes to rev, the kind of motor I really enjoy. Reasonably hot cams, dual valve springs, and no Vanos to break.

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                        • matt
                          No R3VLimiter
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 3731

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Low Level E30
                          I personally like the non-Vanos M50 --- the spiritual successor to the M42, a sturdy beehive that likes to rev, the kind of motor I really enjoy. Reasonably hot cams, dual valve springs, and no Vanos to break.


                          Sorry.

                          There is nothing awesome about the M50. It's basically a DOHC M20. The M50TU is a kickass motor with a ton of potential.

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                          • Low Level E30
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 1646

                            #14
                            Originally posted by matt


                            Sorry.

                            There is nothing awesome about the M50. It's basically a DOHC M20. The M50TU is a kickass motor with a ton of potential.
                            Bullshit.

                            The M50 is MUCH better than an M20, and is certainly not just your basic M20 w/ an extra cam. It is far more modern, with a dramatic reduction in internal friction, and is very easy to take apart and maintain. Vanos is useful for improving every-day driveability, but it is not resilient, especially as compared to Honda's bulletproof VTEC setup. I'll take a non-Vanos M50, thanks.

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                            • asubimmer
                              R3V OG
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 6482

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Low Level E30
                              I'll take a non-Vanos M50, thanks.
                              good for you...

                              I went w/ the vanos because of its greater potential.
                              ///Alpinweiß II 24v 91' 318is, Alpinweiß III 99' 323i, 04' Yamaha R6 SE for sale, 00' VW GTi, 83' El Camino BURNED, 01' P71sold, 92' Miatasold

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