24v sales thread

[MDryVur]

The subframe mounts to the frame rails which are the same on all the bodies but the strut towers are IX specific.

actually both are different.. if you check rail youll see what i mean. i had to move the subframe back from the original mounting position.

[Fidhle007]

if it helps im going to have negative cambers in the front from what it looks like ill keep you posted and let you know what happens if your curious .. which i think you are .. cuz you wont drop it. lol

Camber and caster are different. Do some reading on suspension geometry.

your right the subframe from the ix was a bit forward from the i ... however the mounting positions were still there for the i subfame, that is why i was able to put that in with no effort.

The positioning of the subframe in the body is just to clear the front axles and have a mounting place for the motor. The issue is with the strut towers. The subframe mounts to the frame rails which are the same on all the bodies but the strut towers are IX specific.

[Fidhle007]

^ ohh ok.. what ill do then is put an m20 in there drive around and see how it handles and drives. i still have to make the tranny mounts though.


Thanks for your opinions and thoughts Fidhle007 its really appreciated. i

If you want a swapped car, or any rwd E30, you should use a rwd platform. The IX was designed specifically as an AWD car and converting it and adding power isn't going to be fun and could potentially be dangerous on the street. Caster is what centers the wheel when you let go of it and provides valuable steering feedback. To not have that on a 240hp, sub-3000lbs car will be scary.

I tried to tell you this months ago but you got all angry and insisted on "being different" despite the fact that we're all just trying to help out. Now if you want to swap an S5x into an IX and keep the AWD system, THAT would be cool. I know a guy who's in process, I'll have to see how that turns out.

[MDryVur]

I'VE SEEN IT FOR MYSELF. I own a swapped IS and a lightly modified IX and I am a tech and have seen hundreds of customer's cars as well as my own. The IX was designed with a different strut tower configuration then the e/i cars in order to account for the steering/drive issue on the front wheels. The upper strut mounts were moved forwards by quite a bit to eliminate caster, thereby reducing steering effort which would have been increased by the front drive. This makes them handle like trucks but the powered front wheels compensate for that a little, the instant you remove power however, you now have a car with zero caster and no front drive to account for that. Add more horsepower to that equation and you have another car around a signpost.

your right the subframe from the ix was a bit forward from the i ... however the mounting positions were still there for the i subfame, that is why i was able to put that in with no effort.

[MDryVur]

if it helps im going to have negative cambers in the front from what it looks like ill keep you posted and let you know what happens if your curious .. which i think you are .. cuz you wont drop it. lol

[Fidhle007]

HONESTLY... i can see what your saying but the only thing i can tell you is that you have to see it for yourself. i think ill get an m20 motor and tranny stick it in let the weight set on the frame and wheels to see what happens. and work it from there. but from what i see and to my knowledge i think it will be for the better.

I'VE SEEN IT FOR MYSELF. I own a swapped IS and a lightly modified IX and I am a tech and have seen hundreds of customer's cars as well as my own. The IX was designed with a different strut tower configuration then the e/i cars in order to account for the steering/drive issue on the front wheels. The upper strut mounts were moved forwards by quite a bit to eliminate caster, thereby reducing steering effort which would have been increased by the front drive. This makes them handle like trucks but the powered front wheels compensate for that a little, the instant you remove power however, you now have a car with zero caster and no front drive to account for that. Add more horsepower to that equation and you have another car around a signpost.

[MDryVur]

^ ohh ok.. what ill do then is put an m20 in there drive around and see how it handles and drives. i still have to make the tranny mounts though.


Thanks for your opinions and thoughts Fidhle007 its really appreciated. i

[Fidhle007]

can you explain the zero caster?

Not having any caster. Which is why IXs handle like trucks and why you're going to wrap yours around a pole with an S52.

[MDryVur]

Changing the subframe still doesn't correct the zero caster issue.

can you explain the zero caster?

[Fidhle007]

i like this forum because of all the knowledge ive learned for my s52 swap... ill take some photos of the i sub-frame that i put on my ix .. you cant tell the difference.. and its funtions just fine....

(i) subframe, control arms, bushings, struts, and ix H&R springs with (i) bilstien sports shocks.

btw the car is not on jack stands...

Changing the subframe still doesn't correct the zero caster issue.

[MDryVur]

But even if you change the subframe the strut towers still have IX specific geometry which sucks balls with the front wheels powered and is even worse without.

HONESTLY... i can see what your saying but the only thing i can tell you is that you have to see it for yourself. i think ill get an m20 motor and tranny stick it in let the weight set on the frame and wheels to see what happens. and work it from there. but from what i see and to my knowledge i think it will be for the better.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Gee, you guys are mean.

[MDryVur]

i like this forum because of all the knowledge ive learned for my s52 swap... ill take some photos of the i sub-frame that i put on my ix .. you cant tell the difference.. and its funtions just fine....

(i) subframe, control arms, bushings, struts, and ix H&R springs with (i) bilstien sports shocks.

btw the car is not on jack stands...

[Spinning Tires]

I was bored yesterday and decided to read that thread he left with that ugly bitch leaning on his car. I must say it pasted the time very nicely. This is at least the third thread I came across bashing him and he still posts. I dont get it

[MIKe30]

for the record, I agree with OP - as disliked as he seems to be by a lot of people on here - a 24v f/s section would make things easier to sort through.