S54 e30 electronics ?

[ohthejosh]

Man I clicked in this thread seeing nando was the last poster and hoped for some good insight and info. I ended up reading nonsense and bickering. I am ashamed of myself.

[nando]

man, you post a lot of words but none of it makes a lick of sense.

I'm going with, complete waste of time.

413 ECU swap on an S54? I'd rather run it on Megasquirt. at least it can do double vanos and blended SD/AN.

the most advanced feature of MSS54 is certainly not the double vanos control..

[e30ixBoost]

youre 16. Maybe 18 on a good day.

You sound just like hundreds of others looking for attention for an unfathomable unrealistic idea for a project that will never come to light.

You supposedly have two engineering degrees. Well i have 1. And it doesnt make me master car man.

I know! Im gonna throw a s62 in a ix running stock parts and turbo it and blah blah 123123 hp and awd and shit.

Be gone pls.

troll

[e30ixBoost]

the stock ECU is the best option. Any aftermarket computer is essentially going to be dumbed down from what MSS54 can do, other than maybe the $20k controllers that professional race teams use.

per the DSC, iv decided to go the route of baby steps, im getting way ahead of my self, and at this point i shouldn't be worried nore asking questions about this feature, it is able to wait until everything else settled.

now as the ECU goes there seem to be several options

a standalone system

retrofit necessary components of a MSS54 ECU send for final tune

replace all the sensors against S50 configuration fuel rail/wire hardness use 413 or 503 accept the factor of a lower RPM limiter and possibly non functioning VANOS(although pretty sure its good to go) send for final tune

from those and considering there will be a turbo added later alas AFAIK the MSS54 most advanced feature being the OEM VANOS tune .. which may be removed in the future for higher valve lift/custom cams,

the stand alone seems only logical choice (thus far)

as for which, where and how, i have nothing thus far but questions or as the thread was started ... would like a discussion pertaining towards ... there is a feeling of heavy pressure hanging over me :arrow: more money spent :arrow: less adapt platform for the requirements :arrow: without input and help of various scene oriented people this project will not reach its full potential

no room for a CF airbox and no room for a brake booster, plus now the engine is 5 degrees more upright. I'd be concerned about oiling issues, personally. and you're stuck with the weak E30 front diff. :(

Ahh the oil issue, what i spent several hours on the weekend looking into, other then reading about several dry sump oil 'kits' which cost over exceeds the engine it self :letitout: what is the route now

what i have so thus far conceded to is obtaining an oil cooler which has 2 additional ports for dry? .. / oil sump, having those interact against a physically tunable pressure actuator, thus being able to adjust it thus be a solution ?

secondary to that ... obtaining a universal oil cool 'kit' ? which dial into the oil route before the oil filter and then have lines which travel to a tiny oil cooler, replacing it against a stage (?3/4) dry sump oil pump (belt driven /accepting the rotary loss ) and then leading this to a custom connection in the bottom of the oil pan and naturally to an extra external tank in the trunk .. most likely with an actuator to hold the pressure... mind you this is all theoretic this issue still remains to be addressed

it would be nice to figure out a way to pressure test all this separate of starting the engine and computer .. again all theory.

is this the part where I say I told you so? also, didn't you say you already had the 525ix bought and paid for? now maybe can you see why we think you're full of it?

me and flyboyx watched for a couple years for 525ix parts. In the last year and a half, there has been ONE 525ix front CV shaft set on ebay, and I bought it. it was $900 landed in the USA, but it's less than a third what a new set would have cost, and they're mint. I haven't seen any since, although I'm not looking as closely.



I meant the car is about 25 years old, not you.

i did purchase a 525ix with crazy high mileage off a fellow in the United Kingdom, EBAY grrrrrrr. Not to get in to full detail he was supposed to store it until it came time(of which i did not have a perfect time frame WHEN it would happen) to ship the vehicle to a destination of my choosing... well this became a problem, considering the vehicle was not under my name and i was not in the country. Our friends at PayPal let him keep the money and the vehicle. Figures. By this time while the arbitration was being resolved i noticed little of these vehicles or parts in auto yards, the decision was made to better spend that money. Which i never got back in the first place.

you have yet to ask any pointed questions that make me think, "hey, this guy is sharp, so I can help him without it turning into a huge time sink". You've effectively said "Gimme! Gimme! All your information on the s54 electronics!". No thanks.

i dont have to 'prove to you that im sharp' .. and not 'wasting' your time .. for fucks sake your having or would have discussions on a Internet forum if this TROLLISM would just seize ;) .. who attacked who first, chicken and egg situation no need to continue this. You should instead be asking yourself this

what would u rather have ..

a discussion and the ability to work through problems which in time you will be proud of and be able to proclaim as your innovating thinking helped solve to your friends and fellow forum posters ... for when the issues are solved and the final product is on display and or majestically operating against others ... there was a discussion(s) against various methods of solution ...

or TROLL anything as per what happened in the first place ... this goes to others also ..

the choice is and always has been yours my friend, and other people whom have partaken in this awful practice. i have done nothing to you or the others, there seems to be a zealous cult following on here compared to other forums, i have asked questions else where and or are having current discussions within, however not like this place, seamless attacks are a contributing factor to nothing .. other then a broken ego :|

[328ijunkie]

the E30ix AWD is simplistic in form by nature from that i mean the transfer case or front differential have no required electronic components, so as DSC goes, and correct me if im wrong, would it not function the same as RWD if sensors and required peripherals were placed on the front, this is obviously why i was asking about this, because i do not know about it ... all in due time of course everything will be clear.



PLEASE ... enlighten me .. with your wrath of knowledge pertaining to my questions ...;) why take the longer path, when there is ample opportunity to cut out useless information and to be pointed in a better direction... work smarter NOT HARDER



interesting, so i can retrofit the E46M cluster into the E30 cluster housing .. or simply dash board (which i know about already)

i have previously read about what was required to keep the stock ecu, and how to sideline the limbo mode ... however i did not bookmark it/document its procedure WHICH I SHOULD HAVE :blowup:, i will however do this when it comes up, nore do i want to be posting about half remembered information ...i would like to know your thoughts on keeping the stock ecu .. if not ill figure it out :drink:



WHY MY FRIEND !!! WHY !!!!!! :D personally i regret not going with a skyline/evo/wrx stupid me with e30ix money thrown away for no reason, we shall let the track decide its fate, but i do not regret going with the half pan, there is still room for improvement, more so the M50 oil pump, im thinking dry sump, and regrettably redoing the design of the entire pan, especially if we use a 3.5-3.7 stroker crank (25% and thats a low low figure, i cant justify the money, but that doesnt matter anyways)

after all was said and done, and as parts were surprisingly scares for the 525ix, it was the natural path to take, i was surprised, even in europe finding 525ix parts is not a freely given commodity. Still have to figure out the airbox issue(s), pertaining to the 5MT there was a concept thrown around about cutting/welding transmission housing(s) onto/or from 6MT but its not like on the track there is a need to go 150+ anyway simplicity was favorable



25 :grin: im flattered, i was much older then that when i sold my 3rd software license, per the rest, once the season starts, then its no problem to proceed in fulfilling your curiosity needs, but for now, and to save face on the sponsors, and god knows what evil may lurk in the jealousy or inferiority complex floating around here . thus per giving the opponent cannon fodder, if we did start on a different manner, i would not feel the anxiety towards secrecy but now, god willing what would happen.



i have many MANY questions / concepts / theories all i did and or do is come and ask, take on the haters and dreams, so please. we started off nice, but then you were drawn into the trollism by others.

Youre 16. Maybe 18 on a good day.

You sound just like hundreds of others looking for attention for an unfathomable unrealistic idea for a project that will never come to light.

You supposedly have two engineering degrees. Well i have 1. and it doesnt make me master car man.

I know! Im gonna throw a S62 in a IX running stock parts and turbo it and blah blah 123123 hp and awd and shit.

Be gone pls.

[nando]

the E30ix AWD is simplistic in form by nature from that i mean the transfer case or front differential have no required electronic components, so as DSC goes, and correct me if im wrong, would it not function the same as RWD if sensors and required peripherals were placed on the front, this is obviously why i was asking about this, because i do not know about it ... all in due time of course everything will be clear.

because they will be at odds of each other, and the DSC wasn't meant to have the front wheels powered. the ix AWD is effective, it will be transfering torque to the wheels with grip, while the DSC system is doing it's own thing. I can't imagine it would end well. It *would* be cool if it could work, but I really, really doubt it, and you'd have to learn how to retune it, which I've never even seen anyone try. the E46 xi DSC/ABS is no help as it's not for performance and the E46 has all open differentials (lame).

PLEASE ... enlighten me .. with your wrath of knowledge pertaining to my questions ...;) why take the longer path, when there is ample opportunity to cut out useless information and to be pointed in a better direction... work smarter NOT HARDER

I don't seek to know, I seek to understand. your "easy path" is my last 2 years spent reading and learning. You haven't shown that you seek to understand.

interesting, so i can retrofit the E46M cluster into the E30 cluster housing .. or simply dash board (which i know about already)

well, it fits, yes. But then you get to deal with the electronics to make it useful. and you'll have to reprogram it too.

i have previously read about what was required to keep the stock ecu, and how to sideline the limbo mode ... however i did not bookmark it/document its procedure WHICH I SHOULD HAVE :blowup:, i will however do this when it comes up, nore do i want to be posting about half remembered information ...i would like to know your thoughts on keeping the stock ecu .. if not ill figure it out :drink:

the stock ECU is the best option. Any aftermarket computer is essentially going to be dumbed down from what MSS54 can do, other than maybe the $20k controllers that professional race teams use.

WHY MY FRIEND !!! WHY !!!!!! :D personally i regret not going with a skyline/evo/wrx stupid me with e30ix money thrown away for no reason, we shall let the track decide its fate, but i do not regret going with the half pan, there is still room for improvement, more so the M50 oil pump, im thinking dry sump, and regrettably redoing the design of the entire pan, especially if we use a 3.5-3.7 stroker crank (25% and thats a low low figure, i cant justify the money, but that doesnt matter anyways)

no room for a CF airbox and no room for a brake booster, plus now the engine is 5 degrees more upright. I'd be concerned about oiling issues, personally. and you're stuck with the weak E30 front diff. :(

after all was said and done, and as parts were surprisingly scares for the 525ix, it was the natural path to take, i was surprised, even in europe finding 525ix parts is not a freely given commodity. Still have to figure out the airbox issue(s), pertaining to the 5MT there was a concept thrown around about cutting/welding transmission housing(s) onto/or from 6MT but its not like on the track there is a need to go 150+ anyway simplicity was favorable

is this the part where I say I told you so? also, didn't you say you already had the 525ix bought and paid for? now maybe can you see why we think you're full of it?

me and flyboyx watched for a couple years for 525ix parts. In the last year and a half, there has been ONE 525ix front CV shaft set on ebay, and I bought it. it was $900 landed in the USA, but it's less than a third what a new set would have cost, and they're mint. I haven't seen any since, although I'm not looking as closely.

25 :grin: im flattered, i was much older then that when i sold my 3rd software license, per the rest, once the season starts, then its no problem to proceed in fulfilling your curiosity needs, but for now, and to save face on the sponsors, and god knows what evil may lurk in the jealousy or inferiority complex floating around here . thus per giving the opponent cannon fodder, if we did start on a different manner, i would not feel the anxiety towards secrecy but now, god willing what would happen.

I meant the car is about 25 years old, not you.

i have many MANY questions / concepts / theories all i did and or do is come and ask, take on the haters and dreams, so please. we started off nice, but then you were drawn into the trollism by others.

you have yet to ask any pointed questions that make me think, "hey, this guy is sharp, so I can help him without it turning into a huge time sink". You've effectively said "Gimme! Gimme! All your information on the s54 electronics!". No thanks.

[e30ixBoost]

why on earth would you start with an ix for 900awhp?

1/4 drag racing, and i WILL have my 900 factoring the cost of JUST engine mechanics ... rods/pistons/heavy duty pins/rockers/springs/shims/cams for any engine ... the s54 made sense in the grand scheme of things.

[e30ixBoost]

well, the M3 DSC is for a RWD car, and you want to put it in the ix, which is AWD. The M3 also has the variable diff lock which interfaces with DSC and the DME, the ix has neither of those. And the point of the ix AWD is traction control. I'm not sure why you'd need both.

the E30ix AWD is simplistic in form by nature from that i mean the transfer case or front differential have no required electronic components, so as DSC goes, and correct me if im wrong, would it not function the same as RWD if sensors and required peripherals were placed on the front, this is obviously why i was asking about this, because i do not know about it ... all in due time of course everything will be clear.

I'm not spoon feeding you anything. You don't even understand how the DSC system works, yet you're going to make it work in a AWD car when it was built for a RWD car? You have obviously not even *attempted* to learn how it works yet. Hell you can't even use a search engine or read a few threads in this forum.

PLEASE ... enlighten me .. with your wrath of knowledge pertaining to my questions ...;) why take the longer path, when there is ample opportunity to cut out useless information and to be pointed in a better direction... work smarter NOT HARDER

fitting the M3 cluster into the dash, is not the difficult part at all. it's physically smaller than the E30 cluster, it actually fits *inside* the E30 cluster housing.

interesting, so i can retrofit the E46M cluster into the E30 cluster housing .. or simply dash board (which i know about already)

i have previously read about what was required to keep the stock ecu, and how to sideline the limbo mode ... however i did not bookmark it/document its procedure WHICH I SHOULD HAVE :blowup:, i will however do this when it comes up, nore do i want to be posting about half remembered information ...i would like to know your thoughts on keeping the stock ecu .. if not ill figure it out :drink:

so you went the frankenpan route. I'm sorry. :(

WHY MY FRIEND !!! WHY !!!!!! :D personally i regret not going with a skyline/evo/wrx stupid me with e30ix money thrown away for no reason, we shall let the track decide its fate, but i do not regret going with the half pan, there is still room for improvement, more so the M50 oil pump, im thinking dry sump, and regrettably redoing the design of the entire pan, especially if we use a 3.5-3.7 stroker crank (25% and thats a low low figure, i cant justify the money, but that doesnt matter anyways)

after all was said and done, and as parts were surprisingly scares for the 525ix, it was the natural path to take, i was surprised, even in europe finding 525ix parts is not a freely given commodity. Still have to figure out the airbox issue(s), pertaining to the 5MT there was a concept thrown around about cutting/welding transmission housing(s) onto/or from 6MT but its not like on the track there is a need to go 150+ anyway simplicity was favorable

I'd really like to know what racing class allows a 25 year old 325ix with a 900hp turbo S54 swap. And even if such a racing class like that exists, why on earth would you start with an ix for 900awhp?

it's so ironic that you're the one calling me a troll....

25 :grin: im flattered, i was much older then that when i sold my 3rd software license, per the rest, once the season starts, then its no problem to proceed in fulfilling your curiosity needs, but for now, and to save face on the sponsors, and god knows what evil may lurk in the jealousy or inferiority complex floating around here . thus per giving the opponent cannon fodder, if we did start on a different manner, i would not feel the anxiety towards secrecy but now, god willing what would happen.

it's so ironic that you're the one calling me a troll....

i have many MANY questions / concepts / theories all i did and or do is come and ask, take on the haters and dreams, so please. we started off nice, but then you were drawn into the trollism by others.

[nando]

well, the M3 DSC is for a RWD car, and you want to put it in the ix, which is AWD. The M3 also has the variable diff lock which interfaces with DSC and the DME, the ix has neither of those. And the point of the ix AWD is traction control. I'm not sure why you'd need both.

I'm not spoon feeding you anything. You don't even understand how the DSC system works, yet you're going to make it work in a AWD car when it was built for a RWD car? You have obviously not even *attempted* to learn how it works yet. Hell you can't even use a search engine or read a few threads in this forum.

fitting the M3 cluster into the dash, is not the difficult part at all. it's physically smaller than the E30 cluster, it actually fits *inside* the E30 cluster housing.

so you went the frankenpan route. I'm sorry. :(

I'd really like to know what racing class allows a 25 year old 325ix with a 900hp turbo S54 swap. And even if such a racing class like that exists, why on earth would you start with an ix for 900awhp?

it's so ironic that you're the one calling me a troll....

[Todd Black 88]

im in the slow process of figuring out if i could keep the stock e46m ecu / integrate abs inorder to have dsc - my other bmw one is able to hold the dsc button for 10 seconds and its in half on half off mode where the abs still kickin on separate wheels but the throttle is not down tuned, this would be perfect for the track

still alot more to know / learn

honestly i would not waste the time to reverse engineer anything, even tough assembly comes to me naturally as i am an old timer in the industry.. Im leaning towards if i do end up going with a stand alone unit to wire up the harness my self and then find a dme flash somewhere which i am able to mod for my needs

i have not researched into retrofitting the e46m cluster into the e30 housing, however have seen the entire unit placed into the dash.. Which is a possible start

i really do want to do a season of na class racing while i prepare for a turbo configuration as i have never been in that class before, however depending on the electronics and which route is taken, it may just be the required custom fabrications be done ignoring that idea all together



so .. Now ... Any information which is useful not just 'google this Bullshit .. Im god of almighty information but i wont help you '

just dont bother responding, it wont keep a thread going thats any usefull, and only show how big of a douche bag thread derailing asshole one is able to be ..

Not to classify you less of a troll, but other then that if you want to keep being a jackass and not help me move along this project so be it , dont waste ur time responding

per previous notes i got a good 4 months now to toy around, mechanics wise the franken-pan-s54-ix has been retrofitted, it wont take too long to have the driveshaft extended and shimmed, no decisions on the front/read diff yet.

tool

[e30ixBoost]

Really, that is your response? Those are real terms that, honest to god, would be helpful to you.

Here are some things you likely want to disable/change:

EWS
SAP
DSC/ASC
Rear 02s
Can messaging
VSS input

im in the slow process of figuring out if i could keep the stock e46m ecu / integrate ABS inorder to have DSC - my other bmw one is able to hold the dsc button for 10 seconds and its in half on half off mode where the ABS still kickin on separate wheels but the throttle is not down tuned, this would be perfect for the track

still alot more to know / learn

honestly i would not waste the time to reverse engineer anything, even tough assembly comes to me naturally as i am an old timer in the industry.. im leaning towards IF i do end up going with a stand alone unit to wire up the harness my self and then find a DME flash somewhere which i am able to mod for my needs

i have not researched into retrofitting the E46M cluster into the E30 housing, however have seen the entire unit placed into the dash.. which is a possible start

i really do want to do a season of NA class racing while i prepare for a turbo configuration as i have never been in that class before, however depending on the electronics and which route is taken, it may just be the required custom fabrications be done ignoring that idea all together



so .. now ... any information which is USEFUL not just 'GOOGLE THIS BULLSHIT .. IM GOD of almighty information but i wont help you '

just dont bother responding, it wont keep a thread going thats any usefull, and only show how big of a douche bag thread derailing asshole one is able to be ..

not to classify you less of a TROLL, but other then that if you want to keep being a jackass and not help me move along this project so be it , dont waste ur time responding

per previous notes i got a good 4 months now to toy around, mechanics wise the franken-pan-S54-IX has been retrofitted, it wont take too long to have the driveshaft extended and shimmed, no decisions on the front/read diff yet.

[nando]

Really, that is your response? Those are real terms that, honest to god, would be helpful to you.

Here are some things you likely want to disable/change:

EWS
SAP
DSC/ASC
Rear 02s
Can messaging
VSS input

[e30ixBoost]

here are some thing for you to search for:

Bmw wds
hex editor
crc16
obd2 flash cable
rom dump

good luck!

troll

[nando]

Here are some things for you to search for:

Bmw WDS
Hex editor
crc16
obd2 flash cable
rom dump
29F200 / 29F400
BDM / JTAG

That should be enough to get you started in the right direction.

Good luck!

[nando]

Oh, the irony.

You were calling me a "wizard" when I unloaded a small portion of my swap information on you.

I thought you were done with this site? Didnt you say the electronics were taken care of before?

I dont mind helping but again, you cant even do basic research, why should I tell you anything? Did you even bother to read any of the posts in this forum before posting more nonsense?

So why havent you done a bin dump yet, mr. double degree EE?