The 728i dipstick won't work either. You need to modify the M50 one because the widths are different on em. You won't be able to physically fit the M52 dipstick in that oil pan.
Since you guys are planning on doing an s54 swap in the future... you might as well hit up Tyler at ArcAsylum:
That'll allow you to run the stock setup you guys have now and then when you're for the S54 get the pan modified so that you can keep the dual sump pick up.
Otherwise, you guys will need to chop the oil recirculation tube off of the m54's dipstick and get it welded on.
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Thanks! It's funny, I haven't yet posted the update from last weekend's fun, but we basically ran into those same issues with the headers and dipstick tube. We're using the Ebay headers and they have been nothing but problems. They don't even fit with the engine out of the car, but they really don't fit with the engine going into the car. The steering linkage we have I don't think has any issues with the dipstick tube, but we do need to figure out what dipstick tube we can use with the CCV drain line. We are not welders, so modifying the M50 tube might not work well for us. What does look like it could work is getting the same 728i dipstick from Europe through our friend Peter. I'm having trouble seeing if there would be any issues with mounting it, seeing how that was a M52 or M52TU engine with a front sump like the M50 and might have the CCV drain fitting.
As for the heater hoses, I've got the hoses that Jordan said to get and cut the rubber sections off as he said, but I'm a little bit confused how to tee the hose coming from the heater core to the hard connection at the middle of the block into the expansion tank. The hose he said to get doesn't exactly go directly into the tee from the other hose (the one I took the rubber bits off of), so I'm a bit confused. He never showed completed pictures of it, so I just don't have a clear idea of what happened. If you could take a picture, that would be great.
I'm not worried about the ECU stuff as I've been doing EWS deletes and such on several different DMEs before. I already have Daniel F's tune ready to go onto the junk yard DME we got last week and I'm familiar with loading a full file to a MS43.
I'll post a full update from this past weekend later, but I just don't have time this evening. Needless to say, the engine is not in the car yet and will likely need the headers removed just to get it installed and work on the rest, then have an exhaust shop finish them once we get the car back to Charlotte and don't tie up Brian's shop space anymore. We hope to have it towed back next weekend, but we need to have the engine and subframe installed by then so they can put it on the rollback. Free 200 mile tow with AAA Premier will be in use :).
I was looking at that Gates hose and think I might go with that based on your recommendation. I'll still be using the upper plastic quickconnect fitting as I modified it for the coolant temp sensor. We've got an ECS all aluminum radiator that will be going in.
That's it for now. Look for another update in the next day or so.Leave a comment:
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You can use the gates hose that hakkentt mentioned for the upper and lower. Its one big hose you basically cut what you need to make up the upper and lower. You do need to re-use the plastic connector on the old hose though. Heating hose setup was covered in Jordans guide using the e30 expansion tank. It has worked well for me, and bleeding issues are non-existant with this setup.Leave a comment:
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Hey, looks good so far. I just finished an m54b30 swap. Jordan and Hakkentt's guides were helpful to me too. I ended up going with the treehouse style control arm bushing, as the header doesn't have much room with the standard sized fcab. I had to fabricate a mount for the dipstick tube to engine mount, as I had to move it a bit to allow the steering shaft to clear. I went with the e46 6 speed, so I had some modifications there as well to make it fit, but the guides cover pretty much everything else. If you go to the MS43 wiki, they have all the info you need for setting up the ecu to work. Good luck!Leave a comment:
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Yeah, Brian's shop is pretty awesome. We've done multiple e39 6-speed swaps, a S62 swap, a full e46 M3 Touring build, and multiple other interesting projects in that shop over the last few years.
This build is going to challenge us a bit as it's a good bit more "custom" than we're used to, but we'll figure it out. Typically, people in these forums are much better at the mechanical custom work and have trouble with the electrical, while I'm kind of the opposite. I'm hoping to get some help with some ideas on things like cooling lines and stuff.
Oh, and on another note, we're doing a M50 oil pan and we were able to get an e38 728i oil pickup tube shipped over from our good friend Peter who recently moved to Munich, Germany. I think the total cost was like $35 including shipping or something ridiculous, but it means we don't have to custom fabricate one and that makes all the difference when you're doing a build over 3 weekends 2.5 hours away from home. I'm hoping Jeff sends him the link so he can see we're thanking him immensely. If anyone else needs one for a future build, I'm sure we could get him to help out. It's a part that you can't order in the US as it was a Euro only part.Leave a comment:
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Thanks for setting this up, Paul. Also, thanks to you and Steve for all the help planning this out and, of course, the slave labor. :)
I can't thank Brian (Redshift) enough either. He's a great friend and an even better person.
Paul already hit the "thank you" list but I'd like to reiterate all of those that helped us get started:
Dwight from Zionsville Autosport
Will Tuttle of Tuttle Motorsports
Andrew325is
Castro Motorsports
...and of course, what would any of us do without the guys at FCP Euro and ECS Tuning.
I'd also like to thank Jordan, as Paul has done. He was a big inspiration in making this happen.
We'll have more over the coming weeks as we delve into the fun stuff...making this all work.
I do plan to daily drive this e30 once we've completed this build. However, we'll make steps along the way (like, full suspension, brakes, wheels, and tires next) before reaching the end goal...a full resto-mod e30 S54B32.Leave a comment:
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Cool. I think your build thread was one of the ones that I used for research as well. You didn't use the heater hoses going to the cabin, right? Interesting method for the radiator/expansion tank. Do you notice any vibrations from cutting the cooling fan blades shorter? I would think if there was any variance in the blades, it might cause some.
We're basically planning to do Jordan's method pretty much completely, but he left a couple things out, like the lower radiator hose and a couple of the heater hoses/expansion tank hoses and just said he kept trying different parts until he found something that worked. I'm hoping some people have some more defined suggestions.Leave a comment:
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I am the first person who installed one in E30. M54B25 with MS43, is a great engine for daily driver. Here is my video of it
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1989 325i M54B25/320z swap
Hello everyone!
I realize that this is my first post on these forums, but I've been reading them for quite a while now. I've done several engine/transmission/interior/steering/suspension swaps on e39/e38/e46s, but this is my first e30 build.
My friend Jeff recently bought a 1989 325i saloon with about 187k miles and a 4 speed auto. The car was a 1-owner that lived its whole life in North Carolina. The interior was extremely nice and doesn't show a lot of wear, but the paint on the exterior has evidence that it sat outside in the southern heat for much of its life.
Jeff bought the car with ideas to do a complete custom build over time, but for now, it will start with a M54b25/320z 5-speed swap, Zionsville Quick Ratio 2 steering rack conversion, and a bit of a suspension refresh. Eventually, it will get the S54 to match his other car, a 2006 e46 M3 ZCP. The goal is to do all the prep work with the M54 so that the S54 swap will be mostly plug and play in about 5 years or so. Things like the 5 lug conversion, brake upgrades, wheels, suspension, etc. will happen over time. He is a true E30 fan and plans to make this a stunning resto-mod.
First of all, I would like to thank several people involved in just getting us some great parts packages, as well as some really great advice. Zionsville Autosport put together a package of parts for the engine and transmission conversion excluding the engine and transmission themselves, and also a quick ratio 2 steering rack conversion kit. All were spec'd for the M54 in an e30 chassis, which from what I've seen hasn't been done too often at the same time. I've seen many threads on the e36 steering rack swap and the M54 swap, but not typically together, meaning the power steering lines are different.
Jordan (from here and bimmerforums) has been very helpful with his DIY thread and general help with all things BMW. I know he's not active with e30s anymore, but his build was an inspiration.
Andrew325is supplied the plug and play wiring harness including the CAN bus controller and a few things to eventually convert it to a S54 harness when that happens. Thanks!
Tuttle Motorsports has also been very helpful in getting parts for the swap and very good advice. They're also good friends of mine :).
Our good friend Steve for lending his mechanical know-how and muscles :). You'll be seeing him in several of the pictures to come.
And we can't thank Brian (Redshift) enough for letting us use his shop to do the swap over the next few weekends. He's a truly good friend of ours and such a great guy.
So, this past weekend we started on the engine/transmission/steering swap.
Here's the car that is going under the knife:
Trust me, the inside more than makes up for the outside paint :). The body is in very good condition, other than the dings in the front right fender seen in the picture, so when it comes time for paint, it won't be a nightmare to take care of it.
Steve beginning to drain the fluids:
Driveshaft removed:
Front Control Arm Bushings have had it. New ones, along with control arms, are on order and should be here by next weekend if they didn't already arrive.
Diff is a 4.10 LSD that came with the car currently. We got a 3.25 LSD, but we may try out the 4.10 for now and see how it does. If it's keeping the revs too high on the Interstate, we'll swap it.
Almost no corrosion on the car at all, but some of the wiring is showing its age and that has led to some corrosion on them:
Here I am doing what I do best... reading the forums to see how to do stuff, LOL. We've done so many e39 S62 swaps now that we do them without looking anything up other than torque specs, but this one is all new.
Riding a bit low I think :)
We have separation:
And there you have it. End of Day 1:
Now the real fun begins. Day 2 was mostly separating the M20 from the subframe and getting the subframe cleaned and prepped for the new steering rack and eventually, the engine.
Engine and ZF rebuilt transmission sitting in a corner waiting to be sold:
Years of caked on oil had stripped the paint from the driver side of the subframe and when we removed it, we were left with bare metal.
Steve and Jeff bolting on the new e36 tie rods to the e36 rack (don't worry, they aren't struggling as much as it looks like Steve is :)):
Old engine on the right, new on the left. The M54b25 came out of my 2003 525it/5 that I swapped a M54b30/420g 6-speed into. It has 172k miles on it and has been maintained well before removal. It will need a couple of things before we install it in the car, but should last many years for Jeff if he wants it to.
A bit of paint to keep it from rusting:
And installing it back into the car after bolting up the e36 rack
We needed to move the car out of the shop during the week so Brian can use it for work, so we reinstalled the subframe and connected the steering linkage and rolled it to the driveway. She's riding a bit higher than I remember, LOL:
So, that's it for now. I'll be updating the thread over the next few weekends as we progress along. I'm sure Jeff and possibly Steve will add some input as well.
I hope you all enjoy!
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