N54 swap?

[nando]

if you have a complete car then it should be relatively easy - sorta. essentially you need all the modules from the 335i that interface with the engine - the DME, CAS, Cluster, etc. Then wire it up as if it were a 335i. you also need the key to start it of course.

Basically you're putting the entire 335i electronics into an E30 body. Not impossible, but quite a lot of work.

if there were an EWS delete for MSD80 then you would only need the DME, EKP and maybe the cooling fan modules, but as far as I know nobody has a workaround for EWS4. I have a potential workaround for EWS3 (MSV70/MSS70) but that doesn't help the N54 guys at all. I don't know if any MSD80 modules used EWS3 (don't think so).

also in the project forum there's a guy doing an N54 swap into a 323i.

[SLEEPYDUB]

Bump this up. I have a complete 335i i may be putting into my e30 and would like some insight

[amcink]

Holy Sh*t!!!!!!!!!

Photos of the engine bay and any modification done.

[DesertBMW]

Additional N54 into E30 swap information:
N54 into E30 swap information. Courtesy of V. Palariev drifter from Ukraine. I am only posting information that I was able to gather.
Wiring is not too bad if you have a whole donor car. firewall had to be cut and moved one foot toward inside for the oil pan to clear subframe, custom engine mounting ears had to be welded onto subframe. Pasanger side left foot well had to be cut and moved toward inside to make room for turbo downpipes.

For wiring, you need CAS car access system, EWS4 module, GM body module, you must have the matching cluster because it is all CAN BUS based, all these modules communicate via can bus as well as the DME.

I dry fitted a N55 into E30. N55 is easier because of single turbo and it clears the subframe. I already did N55 into E36 swap so I know what electronics need to be transferred from a donor car. I did the dry fit for now and it looks like it will work just fine. Custom oil pan will have to be made as well as the engine mounts, stock brake booster won't work it touches the engine computer, the E21 booster will have to be used and even then moved just a little.

[e30polak]

Not worth it at all. For less than half the cost you can do an LS1, which is lighter, has the same or greater power potential, and will sound much better!

[hoveringuy]

Maybe I'm really wrong but it might be possible to use the trusty 413 ECU along with hoveringguy's vanos controller chip.

Great thing about N54 is that it actually does not have Valvetronic (variable valve lift) so it shouldn't be too bad for tuning.

True, no Valvetronic. I figured that out when I was researching the N54 throttle body. It's an upgrade over the M54 throttle body because it doesn't use the "wiper" mechanism but is completely touch-less Hall technology.

The VANOS part is relatively easy... the turbos don't have normal wastegates so that would be a small challenge. It can be done with the 413, but it would take tons of dyno time to get it right, and that's if the package fits in the e30 (we're using top-mount turbos because there's no room, remember?).

[Lawson509]

Sorry.. I was thinking of the n52 and the n55 i believe with the valvetronic

[Leo_328i]

Maybe I'm really wrong but it might be possible to use the trusty 413 ECU along with hoveringguy's vanos controller chip.

Great thing about N54 is that it actually does not have Valvetronic (variable valve lift) so it shouldn't be too bad for tuning.

[dsobering47]

Variable valve lift = valvetronic. Been around since the E65. It absolutely is possible, but you need to know what youre doing. Also, it would be cheaper to just buy a totaled 335i/535i and swap modules/wiring over. Buying each module would be astronomical, not to mention the fact that you would still have to program them somehow.

That would be one expensive E30, thats for sure.

[Lawson509]

It would be a pain. You would have to use the factory DME if you plan on controlling the double vanos properly, but at the same time the DME would complain about absolutely any module not being present, so it would essentially have to be an N54 car in an E30 to the absolute. Most standalones within affordable range will not properly support the N54 yet. Honestly, I wouldn't be quick to swap one given the carbon issue, FP issues, and cost overall.

You are totally right. You would essentially have to do what I am doing with my car, except with the n motor. The tricky part about swaps like this is that you have to use the n instrument cluster because it is the "information gateway" to the DME. So getting all the sensors in the body and control modules to read right and programming bits out of the DME takes LOTS of time, special programming requests to BMW, tons of research for compatibility just so the instrument cluster doesn't light up like a christmas tree.

It would be neat. Lots of hurdles to overcome I'm sure. I think the n motors have weird vanos systems.

The n motors just have an updated vanos system. What they do on those motors is they have variable timed + variable lift valves. I have been able to take apart one of the v8 versions of this motor and they use an independent servo apart from the vanos controller to control a "mini cam" with really round lobes. The mini cam operates the dual rocker arms attached to the intake cam to manage how long the valve stays open. Pretty simple system, but complex programming.

[greyis89]

It would be neat. Lots of hurdles to overcome I'm sure. I think the n motors have weird vanos systems.

[5mall5nail5]

It would be a pain. You would have to use the factory DME if you plan on controlling the double vanos properly, but at the same time the DME would complain about absolutely any module not being present, so it would essentially have to be an N54 car in an E30 to the absolute. Most standalones within affordable range will not properly support the N54 yet. Honestly, I wouldn't be quick to swap one given the carbon issue, FP issues, and cost overall.

[dakon]

Me and a buddy were at the dealership the other day getting some parts, and they had a 335 demo car out, i though it would be "the next step" if you will... yeah one would need a totaled 135/335 to get all the necessary items at a semi reasonable cost....

[Leo_328i]

Its not so much the 300hp you're after, its the spread of torque of 400nm from 1300rpm-5000rpm which is a bloody monster!

[dsobering47]

The high pressure pumps have pretty much been figured out....its more a combination of injectors/low pressure sensors that piss off most N54's now. N54 would be sweet, but I dont believe the cost would be worth it for 300 hp. You would basically need an N54 car that was rear-ended and swap over a good amount of modules/wiring.