I need some advice on what I should do with my 89 IX

[joeythekid031]

Okay I bought this car thinking it needed a timing belt, the timing belt ended up being a rebuilt head i bought off of here. During this project I changed the timing belt, water pump, all top end gaskets and was planning on deleting the fan in favor of an electric one. The car is in decent shape with only a few spots of rust (in the trunk battery box, by the license plate and a tiny spot about the size of a half dollar on the passenger floor board) the interior is in nice shape with only a small crack or two in the dash. Ideally I would like to keep this car but i just dont have room as i just bought a 76 2002. So I'm going to eventually sell it to fund the 2002. Now the conundrum is, after i got the car back together it has no oil reaching the head. I changed the oil and put a fresh filter on it and when I ran the motor (only like thirty seconds) i did not get any oil into the new filter. The engine looked clean but I honestly have no idea what I'm going to find after I go through the whole process of pulling everything (i never seen it run before buying it).

I don't know what to do at this point. I need the space for the 2002 and more money would be nice to have some extra to go towards rebuilding the m10. Should I just throw it up for sale like it is or should I try to fix it and get more out of the car? I know its hard to say what its worth without pictures so here are some admittedly shitty pics (its currently in my garage without its hood) http://imgur.com/a/erVws. The hood and door do have dents but i have replacements for both (I'm probably going to keep the hood for my IC though). If I were to sell it as it sits what would it be worth (I'm in KC) and if i were to fix it what should I ask without fixing the rust?

[z122643]

How long had the car been sitting for?

[joeythekid031]

Supposedly about a month and a half. But i can not confirm that as i bought it from a stranger. I know it was long enough for the newish battery to die in it.

[The Dark Side of Will]

I understand that you ran the engine for ~30 seconds at idle, then pulled the filter back off and there was no oil in it.

Could the engine have been taken far enough apart for the oil pump drive to have been removed? Are you looking at someone's failed overhaul? You mentioned that the engine was clean...

The iX uses an opposite pitch oil pump drive gear than the RWD cars. If your engine somehow got a RWD oil pump gear, that might explain no oil in the filter.

There could also be something catastrophically wrong with the oil pump or drive...

[joeythekid031]

I do not believe that the car has been that far apart before. When I said that the engine was clean i meant that the cylinders looked good with no scarring. the head was trashed on the intake side (it had a broken rocker and it looked as if the cam had seized) and the timing belt was stripped. The story was that this guy was driving the car at 40 when he lost the timing belt and then he towed the car home and didn't do anything to it (he was actually going to fix it but came to look at my e39 and we ended up trading his e30 and cash for my e39).

Is there some way to gain access to the oil pump drive shaft without pulling the oil pan?

[spdracrm3]

yes you can access the oilpump drive gear under the cap #9 in picture (under front of intake manifold side of block) or you can try turning the jackshaft that the timing belt drives at front of motor (small toothed pulley on lower left side of engine ) it spins #7 gear to drive oil pumpdrive shaft #5.

i would pull the cap #9 and crank motor and see if the gear turns , sound like this issue was present before if cam siezed in the head and stripped the T-belt , not good news

[spdracrm3]

T-belt diagram

Gear #9 drive Intermediate shaft (jackshaft )#10

[joeythekid031]

yes you can access the oilpump drive gear under the cap #9 in picture (under front of intake manifold side of block) or you can try turning the jackshaft that the timing belt drives at front of motor (small toothed pulley on lower left side of engine ) it spins #7 gear to drive oil pumpdrive shaft #5.

i would pull the cap #9 and crank motor and see if the gear turns , sound like this issue was present before if cam siezed in the head and stripped the T-belt , not good news

Would i be able to change hose gears from the top should that be where my problems are?

[spdracrm3]

yes the gear comes out the top its actually held in by the cap,jackshaft comes out front if its gear is stripped, then the drive shaft will come out so you can inspect each and also try to turn the pump by hand with a long flat bladed screwdriver thru the hole

if you have a scrap long flat bladed screwdriver to sacrifce you can cut shaft off and put it in a drill and put the flat into the oilpump and spin it to see if it will create oil pressure (this is how they prime the oilpump on small block chevies ) either watch the oil pressure light or remove filter to check flow there , just make sure to spin the right direction (not sure which way but you can determine by spinning engine by hand or starter and watching gear rotation )

[joeythekid031]

yes the gear comes out the top its actually held in by the cap,jackshaft comes out front if its gear is stripped, then the drive shaft will come out so you can inspect each and also try to turn the pump by hand with a long flat bladed screwdriver thru the hole

if you have a scrap long flat bladed screwdriver to sacrifce you can cut shaft off and put it in a drill and put the flat into the oilpump and spin it to see if it will create oil pressure (this is how they prime the oilpump on small block chevies ) either watch the oil pressure light or remove filter to check flow there , just make sure to spin the right direction (not sure which way but you can determine by spinning engine by hand or starter and watching gear rotation )

I was able to get the cover off via a slide hammer and welded on vice grips. The gear (7) looks like the connecting rod has slipped inside of the (7) gear (I can see shiny marks from it spinning which wouldn't be there had it not been spinning). The connecting rod is almost completely rounded smooth. unfortunately that's as far as I got we got because I could not get the connecting rod to come out. Is there some trick to getting this out? Does this even come out of the top?

[spdracrm3]

well after further research it looks like the pump driveshaft only comes out the bottom(once oilpump is removed), the stopper #4 and upper shoulder of the shaft stops it coming out the top as they hit the needle bearing #6. the shaft appears to be a hex shape on both ends so might round off easily. can you spin the shaft with pliers at all , wonder if its is seized or the pump is.....

[joeythekid031]

I was able to fit a socket (6mm) over the drive shaft and then turn it with a drill. In one direction it sounds as if there are bubbles being blown in the oil and the other way it does not make a sound until i stopped spinning it and then it sounded as if it were trying to suck oil. However both directions failed to push oil out of the filter housing. Do you think that the pump is trying to push oil but it's just not spinning fast enough? Or is my pump shot? Also where can I buy these parts?

[Kershaw]

how long did you spin it?

[joeythekid031]

I just put the cog back in the top and spun the engine with a wrench to see witch way I should be spinning my drill. It was the way that sounded as if it were bubbling. Within about thirty seconds I had oil coming out of the filter housing so I threw the filter back on and after about another thrity seconds i had oil coming out of the passages in the head. I also switched from the cheap battery powered drill that I was using last night to a corded drill tonight and i think that was part of the difference. That and i only spun it the correct way for a few seconds last night. The oil that came out was a little cloudy so I'm going to run it for a few seconds tomorrow then change it. And if its all good I'll probably sell it.

[joeythekid031]

I cant thank you all enough for the advice.