Anyone run Bils HD with stock springs?

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  • 2002maniac
    R3V Elite
    • Feb 2005
    • 4260

    #1

    Anyone run Bils HD with stock springs?

    so my front struts are shot. I was just going to buy new Boge all around but the bilstein HD are the same price. Anyone run this setup? any speculation would be welcome as well.
  • supernaughtIX
    Wrencher
    • Apr 2007
    • 260

    #2
    if they're the same price go for the billies. No problem with stock springs
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    • e34john
      No R3VLimiter
      • Apr 2006
      • 3599

      #3
      How much were the TCs? TCs are usually about half the price and thats what I would get if I was running stock springs but if there isn't much of a difference HD would be the way to go.
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      • lov-e30
        I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
        • Dec 2007
        • 16548

        #4
        I run HDs at the front with GCcoilovers and rear with e36 M3 springs for the extra weight from my subwoofer box, I like the nearly stock ride with a light drop as I daily my car. ;)
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        • Liam
          Mod Crazy
          • Mar 2009
          • 753

          #5
          The Bilstein are a little better shock and I prefer the dampening profile over the OE Sachs/Boge.
          I'm Not Right in the Head | Random Rants and other Nonsense1st Order Logic Failure: Association fallacy, this type of fallacy can be expressed as (∃xS : φ(x)) → (∀xS : φ(x)), meaning "if there exists any x in the set S so that a property φ is true for x, then for all x in S the property φ must be true".

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          • nando
            Moderator
            • Nov 2003
            • 34827

            #6
            HDs are a far better design than the stock Boge.. the HDs will probably last 3 times longer too. does anyone really use stock shocks anymore?
            Build thread

            Bimmerlabs

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            • Jean
              Moderator
              • Aug 2006
              • 18228

              #7
              May I ask how the Bilstein Touring inserts compare to HDs ??
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              • Liam
                Mod Crazy
                • Mar 2009
                • 753

                #8
                Originally posted by Jean
                May I ask how the Bilstein Touring inserts compare to HDs ??
                A little "softer" dampening is pretty much the only difference.
                I'm Not Right in the Head | Random Rants and other Nonsense1st Order Logic Failure: Association fallacy, this type of fallacy can be expressed as (∃xS : φ(x)) → (∀xS : φ(x)), meaning "if there exists any x in the set S so that a property φ is true for x, then for all x in S the property φ must be true".

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                • netcsk
                  E30 Mastermind
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 1609

                  #9
                  You are supposed to match the damping of the shocks with the spring rate of the springs to obtain optimal road performance (i.e. over/under damped). You can do the calculation, but the HDs will be too stiff to give you the optimal ride for comfort and design. If you're looking for stiff with a stock ride height, then the HDs will work, but they won't be matched correctly in the least bit.

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                  • Liam
                    Mod Crazy
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 753

                    #10
                    Originally posted by netcsk
                    You are supposed to match the damping of the shocks with the spring rate of the springs to obtain optimal road performance (i.e. over/under damped). You can do the calculation, but the HDs will be too stiff to give you the optimal ride for comfort and design. If you're looking for stiff with a stock ride height, then the HDs will work, but they won't be matched correctly in the least bit.
                    This is partially true, however the HDs on stock springs isn't all that bad of a match (as long as you get the correct application).
                    I'm Not Right in the Head | Random Rants and other Nonsense1st Order Logic Failure: Association fallacy, this type of fallacy can be expressed as (∃xS : φ(x)) → (∀xS : φ(x)), meaning "if there exists any x in the set S so that a property φ is true for x, then for all x in S the property φ must be true".

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                    • Jean
                      Moderator
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 18228

                      #11
                      Originally posted by netcsk
                      You are supposed to match the damping of the shocks with the spring rate of the springs to obtain optimal road performance (i.e. over/under damped). You can do the calculation, but the HDs will be too stiff to give you the optimal ride for comfort and design. If you're looking for stiff with a stock ride height, then the HDs will work, but they won't be matched correctly in the least bit.
                      Zing. Exactly why I think my H&R sports aren't exactly matched with the Bilstein Sports :(
                      Mtech1 v8 build thread - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=413205



                      OEM v8 manual chip or dme - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho....php?p=4938827

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                      • nando
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 34827

                        #12
                        Originally posted by netcsk
                        You are supposed to match the damping of the shocks with the spring rate of the springs to obtain optimal road performance (i.e. over/under damped). You can do the calculation, but the HDs will be too stiff to give you the optimal ride for comfort and design. If you're looking for stiff with a stock ride height, then the HDs will work, but they won't be matched correctly in the least bit.
                        what did you think bilstein engineered these things for?
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                        Bimmerlabs

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                        • Liam
                          Mod Crazy
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 753

                          #13
                          Originally posted by nando
                          what did you think bilstein engineered these things for?
                          That's one way of putting it ;-).
                          I'm Not Right in the Head | Random Rants and other Nonsense1st Order Logic Failure: Association fallacy, this type of fallacy can be expressed as (∃xS : φ(x)) → (∀xS : φ(x)), meaning "if there exists any x in the set S so that a property φ is true for x, then for all x in S the property φ must be true".

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