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    that would be awesome...pdf/book def worth paying for
    Renting my rear wheel bearing tool kit. SIR
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      That book would be the next bentley manual for the E30 community, except with way more content and actual good photos. well worth the money to have.
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        THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU

        JUST AMAZING!!!! Loss of Words

        I'll buy the booklet also

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          not to add any pressure, but it has been just over a month any word on an update?
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            Some say, that when he fired it up, they saw only dust and burned rubber leading to the horizon....

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              pics down
              "I wanna see da boat movie"
              "I got a tree on my house"

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                I'm suffering withdrawal symptoms!

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                  Well, it's taken a bit longer then expected but it's finally time for another little update.
                  The last of the big obstacles to getting this car back on the road was always going to be
                  the engine management. As you've probably seen I've made a fair few changes to original
                  engine specification and as a result the original ecu in its standard form is no longer
                  suitable to take care of the fuelling and ignition requirements of the engine.........



                  As the engines breathing capabilities and compression ratio have both been increased
                  these two factors alone would have left the original fuel and ignition maps inside the
                  stock ecu unsuitable, however there has been one other major change in the hardware
                  that meant changes were going to be necessary. The stock ecu's main
                  method of measuring the amount of incoming air so it can figure out how much
                  fuel to inject is the airflow meter.........




                  and thanks to my new fancy airbox the airflow meter has now been relegated
                  to measuring the stagnant air in the bottom of the bin........



                  There's a clatter of different solutions to solving this particular problem and the
                  route I've chosen to take is an aftermarket ecu. The brand I've chosen to go with
                  is DTA and the model is an S40. It's the entry level ecu in the DTA range and although it
                  lacks some of the bell's and whistles of the more expensive ecu's out there it should
                  do everything I need it to just fine.
                  He said,
                  with his fingers crossed.



                  Unfortunately, as with most things in life, and, on reflection, almost everything
                  in this bloody restoration, things aren't just as simple as they first seem.
                  Along with the ecu change there was going to have to be some changes to the
                  rest of the hardware too.
                  As mentioned earlier the main method of measuring the quantity of incoming air
                  to the engine (the airflow meter) had been dumped because of it's restrictive nature,
                  so we're now left with the dilemma of how the new ecu is going to figure out how
                  much air is inbound.
                  And the answer is a throttle potentiometer or throttle "pot", if, like me, your mentally
                  challenged when it comes to speling.
                  The S14 engine already has a throttle pot of sorts bolted to the end of the throttle bodies........



                  But, if you crack it open what you'll find is it's actually a "throttle switch"
                  rather than a "throttle pot"...........



                  The standard ecu already has the airflow meter to tell it how much air is coming into the engine
                  so all it uses this switch for is to see if your foot is off the throttle or demanding full warp speed
                  with the throttle pedal planted deep into the carpet.

                  In the pictures below you can get an idea of how I think it works.
                  (not be be confused with how it probably really works.)

                  The body of the switch is bolted solid to the throttle bodies so it's not moving,
                  but, the little arm in the middle of it (purple) is stuck on the end of the
                  throttle butterfly shaft, so as you open and close the throttle the arm moves around too.
                  Along with the arm there a little switch and a set of contacts inside here too.
                  The ecu is constantly sending 5 volts to throttle switch (middle pin) and
                  when you have your foot off the throttle that little purple arm is resting on
                  the idle switch closing it's contacts.........



                  This allows the 5 volts to travel in from the middle pin, through the
                  closed switch and back out the bottom pin and off back to the ecu,
                  as shown in the pic above.
                  Once the ecu see's 5 volts coming back this wire it knows your off the gas
                  and the engine needs to idle, so it stops looking at the info coming from the
                  airflow meter and instead just concentrates on using
                  the idle control valve to keep the engine ticking over nicely.

                  The minute you start to press the throttle the little purple arm moves off this
                  switch and the contacts open again (can usually be heard as a little click).
                  From a tiny bit of throttle to almost full throttle the little arm moves around
                  inside not touching either the idle switch or the full throttle contacts.........



                  As the little arm isn't pushing either switch closed the 5 volts coming
                  in the centre pin has no route to take back to the ecu. Once the ecu
                  see's no voltage coming back from either wire it knows your motoring
                  along and it needs to pay attention to the airflow meter to see how much
                  air is coming in so it can calculate the fuel and spark.

                  The final use for the throttle switch is when you mash your foot to the floor.
                  As you pass the 90% throttle open point the little arm presses the set of
                  full throttle contacts closed. Once again the 5 volts coming in the centre pin now
                  has a route to make it back to the ecu..........



                  The 5 volts travels over the contacts and out the top pin back to
                  the ecu and once the ecu see's voltage coming back this wire it knows
                  that you require full warp speed and it adjusts the fuelling and spark
                  accordingly.

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                    Now, while all that works out just nicely for the standard ecu, unfortunately
                    it's not worth a flying fu*k for our new ecu. Our airflow meter is gone
                    and we now need a lot more info from the throttle than just fully open or
                    fully closed. If we're going to be looking at how much the throttle is open
                    to gauge how much air is coming into the engine then we're going to need to
                    know exactly how much the throttle is open all the time.
                    So we change the throttle "switch" above for a throttle potentiometer shown
                    below...........



                    Although it bolts on in the same place and has the same amount of wires
                    going to it, the inner workings of a throttle pot are fairly different.

                    Once again the ecu always is sending 5 volts to the throttle pot,
                    but the difference this time is that 5 volts enters the pot and travels around
                    a resistor track slowly dropping voltage till it exists the far side where
                    only about half a volt has made the full journey.........



                    Now this time instead of a little arm connected to the throttle shaft
                    we have a little "wiper" which is hooked up to the middle pin of the
                    throttle pot. This little "wiper" rubs up against the resistor track and
                    carries the voltage at that point back out the middle pin and off to the
                    ecu.

                    With the throttle only pressed a little bit the wiper is pressing against the
                    beginning of the resistor track where the 5 volts is still strong and it carries
                    back the voltage at this point to the ecu........



                    As you begin to open the throttle a bit more and the wiper moves
                    around (it's connected to the throttle shaft) the 5 volts has started
                    to drop around the resistor track and as such the amount of voltage
                    the wiper is sending back to the ecu drops off.......



                    Right up until you start nearing full throttle where theres only
                    a small amount of that original 5 volts left to send back to the ecu.......



                    So basically depending on the voltage going back to the ecu it
                    can now figure out exactly how much you have the throttle open,
                    and as a result, start figuring out how much air is entering the engine
                    so it can do it's calculations of how much fuel to add and when to
                    fire the spark.

                    Now, with the bullshit taken care of it's on to actually nailing
                    the new throttle pot in to place.
                    With the old throttle switch and it's mounting plate removed theres a
                    fair bit of throttle shaft left sticking out...........





                    And as only the tip of this shaft is needed to stick into the new throttle pot
                    we're going to need a spacer to take up the gap. I've gone with one made
                    by Massive, available here.......






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                      But there was one more issue to take care of before the throttle pot
                      could be fitted. The new throttle pot uses M4 size bolts to mount it
                      on the engines it's used on, and, we need to use M5 sized bolts to nail it
                      on to our S14's throttle bodies. As a result the little "collars" on the throttle
                      pot are too small for the M5 bolts to pass through.........



                      So they need to be removed. After taking a quick look again at the total charge
                      on the main dealer invoice for the throttle pot to help suppress the urge to use a
                      hammer, an M5 bolt and appropriately sized socket are used instead.........



                      The whole lot gets popped up into the vise and the bolt is used to GENTLY
                      squeeze the collar out into the socket........





                      With the two collars removed the throttle pot could now be bolted up into place.......



                      Next item on the agenda isn't strictly 100% necessary to run the engine
                      but it's something I'd been reading up on and was keen to try out and
                      it is a Map sensor (Manifold Actual Pressure)...........


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                        Ok, deep breath........
                        The reason I say it's not 100% necessary is that the vast majority of people
                        running aftermarket management systems on this engine seem to do so perfectly
                        well with just the throttle pot for calculating the load. However there could be some
                        benefit to having one of these as well, maybe, I don't know, time will tell.
                        Here's the short version of what it does and how it might be useful.

                        Like almost every sensor on the engine the ecu sends 5 volts down to it and
                        watches what voltage comes back and then alters the fuel and spark accordingly.

                        What the map sensor does is measure the vacuum in the inlet manifold. When the
                        throttle is shut with the engine ticking over the pistons are still travelling up and down
                        trying to pull air into the engine and the result of this is a fairly hefty vacuum on the
                        engine side of the throttle butterfly. As you open the throttle air starts to rush in to fill the
                        cylinders and the vacuum drops the more you open the throttle. So by using a map
                        sensor to read the vacuum in the inlet manifold the ecu can get a pretty good picture
                        of how much air is actually entering the engine, which is what it wants to know
                        to do it's calculations. In fact Map sensors are used on a huge chunk of mass production
                        cars to do just this instead of throttle pot's.

                        So why the fu*k am I using a throttle pot then?

                        Well, Map sensors work grand when you have a nice standard big fat manifold with one
                        single butterfly. The suck, suck, suck of each cylinder is evened out as one big suck in
                        the nice large chamber of the inlet manifold. As a result of this when you tee off a little signal
                        pipe to the map sensor to read the vacuum, you get a nice clean signal as the pulsing effect
                        of each of the four cylinders sucking at different times is smoothed out in the open space
                        of the manifold.
                        As the S14 engine has individual throttle bodies this presents a bit of a problem, tee the vacuum line
                        into just one of the throttle bodies and the Map sensor has a bit of a mickey fit. Instead of getting
                        a nice smooth vacuum to read it's now jumping all over the place as the one cylinder it's now reading
                        off is sucking then nothing, then sucking, then nothing etc. etc.
                        I'm hoping this problem will be overcome a little at least by where I've chosen to take a tee off
                        vacuum pipe for the map sensor, but we'll get to that in a minute.

                        Before that it's probably worth explaining why the hell I'm going to the extra effort of fitting a Map
                        sensor in the first place. One distinct advantage a Map sensor has over a throttle pot is at very
                        small throttle openings. The type when your just crawling along in heavy traffic and barely pressing
                        the accelerator or cruising along in a high gear with the throttle barely pushed. In a car thats to be
                        used as a daily driver as opposed to a flat out rally/race/track car, the more accurate the ecu can sense
                        whats going on at these small throttle openings the more responsive it can be to adding just the
                        right amount of fuel and spark timing to give a smooth drive. And when it comes to measuring how much air is entering
                        the engine at these low throttle openings the Map sensor has the upper hand over the throttle pot.

                        So, the plan is to use the throttle pot as the main source of info for the ecu to work out the
                        incoming air but also send it the info from the Map sensor as well in the hope's that using
                        both sensors it'll be able to get a more accurate idea of whats going on and maybe result in
                        a smoother driving engine.

                        Or, maybe it'll all go tits up and I'll end up fu*king the Map sensor in the bin.
                        We'll see.

                        One thing I am sure of though is it's time for more pictures and less bullshit.

                        Mounting the Map sensor..........



                        popped up into the vise and two little M5 rivet nuts bonded into the underneath.....





                        and then bolt her up to the harness bracket thing that sits on the engine
                        bulkhead........





                        after which it's time to plumb her up with that vacuum line so she can read the
                        engine vacuum. The location I have gone with is from a little rubber pipe that
                        comes up from the idle control valve and feeds air into the throttle bodies when
                        the butterflies are shut. This air feed is what keeps the engine breathing when the
                        throttles are shut and as it feeds all four cylinders I'm hoping that the vacuum in
                        this pipe should be smooth enough for the Map sensor to do it's thing.

                        In the pic below you can see the pipe connecting into the throttle bodies and
                        the arrow is pointing to a little "tee off" already in the pipe as standard.......



                        The reason for this is the smart people at Bmw already rob a vacuum signal
                        off this pipe to operate the fuel pressure regulator...........


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                          vacuum pipe for the fuel pressure reg. coloured red below to make it
                          a little easier to see........



                          So with the plan to rob my vacuum signal at the same point the easiest
                          way to do it was change the little plastic 90 degree elbow for a "T" piece......





                          Fuel pressure reg. gets to keep it's signal and I get my new signal for
                          the Map sensor, everybody's a winner.......







                          Next up on the "shit to do" list was sort out an air temp sensor.
                          As well as knowing how much air is going into the engine the ecu also
                          needs to know what temperature the air is. Colder air will need more fuel,
                          warmer air less, and the spark timing will differ also depending on the air
                          temperature.
                          On the original set up on all e30's the air temp sensor is built into the airflow
                          meter, so unless I rigged up some sort of bluetooth jobbie to help the airflow meter
                          in the rubbish bin communicate with the ecu something was going to have to change.
                          Below is the solution..........



                          Its a little Bosch air temp sensor. Basically the probe end of the sensor
                          is fitted sticking out into the incoming air to the engine. The ecu sends down
                          it's usual 5 volts to the sensor and the voltage travels out into the sensor where
                          it meets a little variable resistor. This little resistor changes resistance depending
                          on how hot or cold it gets. Cold air coming into the engine the resistor cools down
                          and has a high resistance, as a result only a little of that 5 volts makes it through to return
                          back out the other pin on the sensor and back to the ecu.
                          Likewise, with warmer air been drawn into the engine the resistor heats up and has
                          less resistance, as a result a lot more of that 5 volts makes it back up to the ecu.
                          So now the ecu has an accurate way of measuring the temperature of the incoming air.

                          With all that said, obviously the sensor needs to be mounted somewhere where it's
                          measuring the actual air been sucked into the engine, so, a quick rummage around in the
                          spare parts box came up with a female fitting the same size thread as the sensor.......



                          Once the fitting had been filed down to an appropriate size a similar
                          size hole was cut in the intake snorkel..........


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                            bit of hammering and liberal quantities of glue.........



                            and bingo.......



                            The next item on the list was one of the few sensors that survives from the old
                            set up, the water temperature sensor..........



                            Its job and the way it operates is pretty much identical to the air temp sensor.
                            Two pins on the sensor, 5 volts go in, depending on how hot or cold the water is
                            that the sensor probe is sitting in a percentage of that 5 volts makes it back up to the ecu.
                            Again the ecu needs to know how hot or cold the engine is so it can adjust the fuelling
                            and spark accordingly.
                            Sensor sits into it's usual place on the water rail (blue sensor) right beside it's neighbour next door
                            the little brown sensor, which has nothing to do with engine management but instead
                            just runs the water temp. gauge up on the dash..........



                            And finally on to the last of the main ecu inputs, the crankshaft sensor.
                            All of the sensors fitted up till now have dealt with sending
                            information to the ecu so it can calculate how much fuel to squirt into the
                            engine and when it needs to fire the spark. The next input is probably more
                            important than all of these, as the crankshaft sensor lets the ecu know 3 vital
                            bit's of information.
                            Firstly, that the engine is turning over.
                            It might sound simple but without the signal coming in from the crank sensor the
                            ecu has no idea the engine is turning over. If it doesn't receive this signal then
                            the party's over.
                            Secondly, ecu has to know how quickly the engine is spinning over so it can
                            figure out how long it has to open the injectors and squirt in the fuel, also
                            it needs to know when to send the spark. As the rev's start to rise
                            both the fuel and the spark need to be introduced sooner if that bang is
                            going to happen while it's still useful. So, second task for the crankshaft sensor
                            is to send back some info to the ecu and let it know how fast the engine is turning.
                            Third job, and equally important, is to let the ecu know exactly what position
                            the engine is at. Not much good the ecu squirting in fuel and lighting the spark
                            if the piston is only halfway up the cylinder and the resulting bang sends the piston
                            out through the block.

                            So, how does the crank sensor do it's business?
                            Well, the crank sensor is only one half of the solution, the other half being a toothed
                            wheel as seen below........



                            There's two main types of crank sensor a "VR" type and a "Hall" type.
                            The VR type generally uses two wire's and the Hall type use's three wires.
                            (I'm going to say I haven't got the time to explain the differences right now,
                            but we both know the truth is I'm guessing most of this stuff up till now, and I
                            know that little about these sensors I can't even bullshit my way of this one.)
                            The one thing thats worth mentioning before we move on is if your switching
                            over to an aftermarket ecu then it's likely the ecu your going to use will favour
                            one type or the other. Make sure you get the right one.

                            The sensor I'm using here is a VR type sensor (Variable Reluctance) and inside it
                            is a little magnet. Very basically, the sensor has two pins. When you send voltage
                            in one pin and pass a bit of metal in front of the sensor it does a bit of black magic
                            and dumps out a little pulse of electricity on the other pin.

                            So, how the hell does this help the ecu figure out anything?

                            Well, it we bolt the sensor on to the front of the engine pointing towards the
                            crankshaft pulley............



                            and then attach the little toothed wheel to the crankshaft pulley that will spin right in
                            front of the sensor.........





                            The sensor will "see" the teeth on the toothed wheel and send back a little pulse
                            of electricity to the ecu every time a tooth passes it. If the pulley has 36 teeth equally
                            spaced out on the wheel and we tell the ecu that a full turn of the engine is 36 teeth
                            then the ecu can now count the teeth/pulses and figure out how many rev's the engine is doing.

                            So now the ecu has a way of telling the engine is spinning over and figuring out what
                            speed it's running at, the final thing it needs to know is what position the crankshaft is
                            at so it can squirt and spark at the right time. The way this is done is by removing one
                            of the teeth on the toothed wheel, and if you look at that first picture above showing the
                            toothed wheel you'll see theres only 35 teeth and a gap where the 36th one should be.

                            Why the hell is there a missing tooth? Did you keep the receipt? Cancel the Paypal quick.

                            The reason one of the teeth is missing is so the ecu can figure out what position the engine is at.
                            When the toothed wheel is fitted to the crankshaft pulley we measure up when the next tooth
                            after the missing tooth will pass the crankshaft sensor.
                            In the case of this engine the next one after the missing tooth passes the sensor at 90 degrees before the
                            engine reaches top dead centre (TDC).
                            So we then tell the ecu when you spot the missing tooth/pulse the next tooth
                            you see is at 90 degress BTDC. With this knowledge the ecu can now figure out exactly what position
                            the engine is at because it knows theres 36 teeth equally spaced out (35 + 1 missing one) so each time it
                            reads a tooth pulse it knows the engine has rotated 10 degrees (360 degrees divided by 36 equals 10 degrees).
                            With these two bits of information the ecu can now pinpoint any degree it likes to inject the fuel and
                            fire the spark.

                            The toothed wheel you see in the pictures and the little bracket for holding the sensor were sourced
                            from here: http://www.massivebrakes.com/accessories.php
                            And the sensor I've used is a "Standard Pc 19" which can be found through a Google search.

                            (Probably worth mentioning at this stage that the standard S14 engine management uses
                            crankshaft sensors too, but it's an odd set up which uses two sensors to do the same
                            job described above and isn't compatible with a lot of aftermarket ecu's including mine,
                            hence the reason I've gone with the above.)

                            And a picture of the final setup on my engine.........



                            And that ladies and gentlemen brings us to the end of the first instalment of
                            this update. With all the main ecu inputs sorted next up we'll delve into
                            the coma inducing world of the ecu outputs, ignition coils and injectors.
                            Talk to you all again in a few years time.

                            Till then...........
                            Last edited by xworks; 03-13-2012, 11:46 AM.

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                              Impressive work

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                              $5 shipped?
                              Originally posted by MarkD
                              You are a strange dude, I'n not answering any more posts from you.

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                                Nice. I was expecting an Alpha N setup but, then you threw that curve ball in there.

                                Can't wait for the next episode. I excited like a little school girl. Curious as to weather you actually have the car running yet?
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