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  • StereoInstaller1
    GAS
    • Jul 2004
    • 22679

    #16
    Originally posted by robo_trigger
    Hold the phone, I've been trying to design an ipod friendly interface around the stock deck and I've been encountering alot of limitations (personal knowledge base mostly). Could you elaborate? I'd love to basically have something similar to this setup but using the principles of your 500 dollar system (amplified stock premium speakers).
    OK, so here it is: the Audiocontrol LC8i. All it really is is a knob and an LED on the dash that plugs into a box. There are 2 sets of inputs, one RCA, the other "speaker level". When you push the knob it changes inputs. Simple, right?

    Here is the weird part...that knob functions as a global volume control AND a Subwoofer Level Control.

    When you are in "deck mode", using the 4 channel inputs, the knob is a typical SLC. Tap the knob to put it in "AUX Mode" and now that is the global volume for the system. Thus, the only poopie part is that you have to jump back to deck mode to change the sub level.

    What you do get is electronics that are incredible, far better than most high-end home audio stuff. The output from that single RCA input is stunning, you get 3 sets of completely adjustable 9.5VRMS, 13V peak line level outputs. Your amp will not want to see anywhere near that much input, so the thing never gets into distortion, only has super clean output. Basically, "idling".


    There is no deck on the market today that has as good a performance through its AUX stage, period. You would not be out of line plugging in a nice "full 24 bit" pro level deck if there were something like that on the market (hint hint). Even using a cheap amp, the difference in transient response ("Punch") and dynamics is astounding. Ask James Crivellone what he said when he first heard my old E30 with 3 $100 amps and a 6XS..."OK, tell me every bit about this stereo. This is the best sounding car stereo I have ever heard, I want this"

    So, there are now a few other devices on the market that do the same thing. The JL Cleansweep, the Fosgate 360, the JBL thingie, all of them are fantastic. I personally prefer the Audiocontrol, but most likely from familiarity.

    Luke

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    • bubbajan21
      E30 Mastermind
      • Mar 2011
      • 1962

      #17
      Originally posted by StereoInstaller1
      Here is the weird part...that knob functions as a global volume control AND a Subwoofer Level Control.

      When you are in "deck mode", using the 4 channel inputs, the knob is a typical SLC. Tap the knob to put it in "AUX Mode" and now that is the global volume for the system. Thus, the only poopie part is that you have to jump back to deck mode to change the sub level.
      I have honestly never used the LC8i so I don't doubt what you are saying since you have experience with it, but based on the owner's manual for the unit, it says that to change sub level you have to be in aux (iPod) mode. I was thinking this would be perfect for my setup but might be a bother for more standard set-ups, but from what you're saying it might be the other way around. Either way, it'll work, I'm just hoping for the sake of my install that it is as it says it is in the owner's manual. If not, SLC control for me will kinda be a guess-and-check kind of procedure haha.

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      • StereoInstaller1
        GAS
        • Jul 2004
        • 22679

        #18
        Duh. You are right. See? Old man disease right there!

        Closing SOON!
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        Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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        • robo_trigger
          Wrencher
          • Oct 2011
          • 210

          #19
          Okay maybe I was confused. I thought you were advocating a set up with just the stock deck instead of the lc8.

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          • bubbajan21
            E30 Mastermind
            • Mar 2011
            • 1962

            #20
            Originally posted by robo_trigger
            Okay maybe I was confused. I thought you were advocating a set up with just the stock deck instead of the lc8.
            Not instead of, in addition to.

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            • bubbajan21
              E30 Mastermind
              • Mar 2011
              • 1962

              #21
              Anyone have an opinion on the Planet Audio vs. Kenwood Excelon vs. any other? The Planet Audio can be had for about $140 while the Kenwood would be closer to $215. Strictly based on the numbers, the planet audio seems like the obvious choice, but not having much experience with various amps, I'm not sure if there's more to it than that.

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              • StereoInstaller1
                GAS
                • Jul 2004
                • 22679

                #22
                Originally posted by bubbajan21
                Anyone have an opinion on the Planet Audio vs. Kenwood Excelon vs. any other? The Planet Audio can be had for about $140 while the Kenwood would be closer to $215. Strictly based on the numbers, the planet audio seems like the obvious choice, but not having much experience with various amps, I'm not sure if there's more to it than that.
                I have installed both. If the prices were reversed, I would opt for the Planet Audio. It has enough more grunt to make it worth it.

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                Luke AT germanaudiospecialties DOT com or text 425-761-6450, or for quickest answers, call me at the shop 360-669-0398

                Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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                • agent
                  Vice Grand Pubaa
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 7960

                  #23
                  I have the PA in Klaus and I am very happy with it. I will be buying another one for my next E30 (along with another Lukebox).
                  Originally posted by kronus
                  would be in depending on tip slant and tube size

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                  • robo_trigger
                    Wrencher
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 210

                    #24
                    Any opinions on the cache coe8 vs the audiocontrol lc8i? it's about 60% the price so I was curious. Unless the OP can share his lc8i hookup ;].

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                    • StereoInstaller1
                      GAS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 22679

                      #25
                      IIRC, the Cache does not have an AUX volume control, adn I can't find the manual online quickly. I know it was way noisier than the LC8i.

                      What kind of prices are you seeing on the LC8i?

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                      Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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                      • oliver.r
                        No R3VLimiter
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 3839

                        #26
                        if you could write up a diy after all the bugs are figured out i would be most greatful!

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                        • bubbajan21
                          E30 Mastermind
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 1962

                          #27
                          Originally posted by robo_trigger
                          Any opinions on the cache coe8 vs the audiocontrol lc8i? it's about 60% the price so I was curious. Unless the OP can share his lc8i hookup ;].
                          Hahaha funny story actually, I found the LC8i on ebay at a pawn shop in California brand new sealed in the original packaging, we went back and forth on price and he finally agreed to sell it for $95 shipped.

                          Originally posted by oliver.r
                          if you could write up a diy after all the bugs are figured out i would be most greatful!
                          I will definitely be documenting this when I do get around to installing it. It will be going in in April so check back then!

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                          • MrGeekFreak
                            Member
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 91

                            #28
                            I really like the idea of this.

                            I am excited to see how this goes!

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                            • StereoInstaller1
                              GAS
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 22679

                              #29
                              Hey, how is progress, guys? Anyone actually install anything yet? I am doing an LC8i tomorrow in a 2011 Mazda 3. The stock deck has every feature you can think of, but I am going to hijack the AUX input for the LC8i, he generally uses BT for audio.

                              I will try to snap some pics, show some process.

                              I don't even know for sure if it has an amp in it or not yet, but I am doing a big Kicker 5 channel and an enormous Soundstream 12" in a "custom one-off" with the stock speakers.

                              Dude threw a $20 at a Keno machine 5 weeks ago, 3 days after he lost his job. He won $54K, almost exactly a years income for him. He has begged me to do something for years, now he can afford it, so I am doing a Mazda...at German Audio Specialties.

                              Luke

                              Closing SOON!
                              "LAST CHANCE FOR G.A.S." DEAL IS ON NOW

                              Luke AT germanaudiospecialties DOT com or text 425-761-6450, or for quickest answers, call me at the shop 360-669-0398

                              Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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                              • brian52555
                                E30 Addict
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 425

                                #30
                                Hopefully installing mine this weekend :)

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