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  • M3 euro ltw
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    CD changer cable information:

    I'm looking to either buy or DIY build my own cable that would have DIN 13 as shown on the CM5908 rear views, that goes to DIN 8 pin for the CD changers that reputedly matched the CM5908. These are Alpine units exclusively (ASFAIK, but maybe Blaupunct made a compatible one?).

    I'm very grateful to the community for having joined together to help and supply information. There is reference in the forum to being able to find online the pin-to-pin configuration for this cable, but I haven't (yet) found it. I can not confirm M-bus or Ai-Net either for the TR-1000, TR1016, or TR-1008, although, they must all me the same if they all run off a CM5908. Any help appreciated, and I'll post up what I find so others coming later can DIY. It is easy to find the connectors, and there are plenty of cables that come DIN-8 both ends that could be modified to have the DIN 13 at the other end. But I need the pin data. (and if anyone can find the 90 degree 13 DIN pin connector ? I haven't found that, only inline which may be tight.)

    Thanks in advance for any help. I'll edit this post to be purely informative if I can get this info. Don't know where else traffic would see it.

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  • Andrew325is
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    Originally posted by Todd Black 88 View Post
    I have two of these. One works/worked when stored, and the other is a parts deck.They are cartridge CD decks. Disc goes in cartridge, cartridge goes in the deck.
    I have a box of NOS cartridges for them as well
    That's awesome. I remember an old Mac computer at school when I was a kid had a cartridge CD-ROM drive and I played the game Cosmic Osmo on it. :)

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  • Todd Black 88
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    Originally posted by Andrew325is View Post
    It looks like radio #5 is a Blaupunkt C22 (BP4836).



    Bavaria Electronic CD II SCD09 What's interesting about this one is that BMW lists the CD43 as the superseded model in the E30 ETK ( 65126909885).



    I have two of these. One works/worked when stored, and the other is a parts deck.They are cartridge CD decks. Disc goes in cartridge, cartridge goes in the deck.
    I have a box of NOS cartridges for them as well

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  • Andrew325is
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    It looks like radio #5 is a Blaupunkt C22 (BP4836).

    There is also similar model C52 (BP6262) and a host of 'Bavaria' models.

    C52 (BP6262)




    Bavaria C III BP1830



    Bavaria Electronic CD



    BAVARIA C BE0728



    Bavaria C Business BE0774



    Bavaria C Business RDS Pioneer KE-92ZBM



    BAVARIA C Professional RDS BE1801



    BAVARIA C Exclusiv BE0729



    Professional RDS BE2455



    Bavaria C Professional BE0776



    Bavaria Electronic CD II SCD09 What's interesting about this one is that BMW lists the CD43 as the superseded model in the E30 ETK ( 65126909885).





    More info here: http://www.e30owners.com/forums/show...-a-UK-1987-316
    Last edited by Andrew325is; 02-06-2019, 03:57 PM.

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  • bradnic
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    Originally posted by Aleman View Post
    Radio #3 - Model KE-83ZBM (Pioneer). Has been seen in a few late model E30's.
    This is the 4 channel Pioneer that used to be sold by BMW dealers as a "CD ready" radio upgrade. I have seen a 92 convertible with this radio as well. Here's a Jan 1990 Roundel ad showing this exact radio.


    EDIT: just noted a later post from Aleman where he clarified that it is a 4 channel radio
    Originally posted by Aleman View Post
    An eBay seller said this about Radio #3 Model KE-83ZBM (Pioneer):

    A very nice used and tested BMW cassette player. BMW model Pioneer KE-83ZBM. Functions include: cassette, auto reverse, scan, AM/FM/WB. Will fit other E34 and E32 models. This can be used on the E30/E28/E24 with some modifications to your wiring. This is a 4-channel output radio, while the E30/E28/E24 used a 2-channel for the most part. This unit is designed to be used with a factory amp. A rare find.
    Here's the back of the KE83BM - note 4 speaker connectors, and a CD changer connector (the round "DIN" connector).


    As @Aleman / OP mentioned earlier cars had the external fader in the HVAC panel, and 2 channel head units like the Alpine CM5905 and CM5907.

    Take a look at this Jan 87 E30 brochure - note the CM5907 and the fader knob in the HVAC panel (man everything about that pic is just perfect isn't it...).


    Some 87 cars and 88 IXes still had these fader buttons too - so they were NOT "CD ready". Instead of the 5905/7 they came with a 2 channel version of the Pioneer radio, Model KE-81ZBM. In fact my 88ix lachs/cardinal coupe has this exact setup. Check out the KE81 in this Motorweek video clip


    KE81 front face - no mode switch on right end

    KE81 rear face - no CD connector, only 2 speaker connectors

    KE81 closeup on the connectors


    Finally, since the rear of the 5908 slider isn't pictured on this thread I've included it here. Note again the CD connector and 4 channel speaker connections.


    Based on all this info, it's safe to say that if your car came with that external fader knob, it had 2 channel wiring and is not "CD Ready".
    Last edited by bradnic; 04-22-2019, 12:28 PM.

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  • bradnic
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    btw ymmv, but it's not clear to me the added channel content has really been all that compelling. I can take or leave the scrolling text and album art too - if I want album art I'll look at my phone screen.

    as to digital broadcast vs analog, what I've usually found in my newer cars is if you can't receive analog due to poor signal quality you probably won't receive the HD-Radio digital signal either.

    https://www.lifewire.com/problem-with-hd-radio-534510
    The cold, hard truth is that HD Radio is a format in search of an audience that never asked for it in the first place.
    Last edited by bradnic; 01-31-2019, 09:25 AM.

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  • bradnic
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    Originally posted by Andrew325is View Post
    Originally posted by Aleman View Post
    I'm going this route. Resto-mod for my OEM radio.

    https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=421082
    Hmm, that looks really cool, but the BT board costs more than the new deck I bought.
    That's not surprising, especially if you bought that radio before @jaysterling's board became available.

    Please keep in mind that your radio is 30 years old. It will absolutely need service for its internal power amp and the tape mechanism as both elements have parts that wear out and need replacing.

    Unfortunately if you're relying on the tape deck you're on borrowed time as the rubber belts, capstans etc will inevitably fail. There's no practical way to repair the tape mechanism other than to swap it out. The swapped unit will also have old parts in it though.

    Originally posted by Andrew325is View Post
    Is it possible to add HD radio to the factory radio using the BT card?
    that's a great question. It would require a new hd radio tuner module, and a way to inject station metadata to the display. If you can live without the metadata display you could take an external hdradio module and use the latest cantaloupe board's aux in.

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  • Andrew325is
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    Is it possible to add HD radio to the factory radio using the BT card?

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  • Andrew325is
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    Originally posted by Aleman View Post
    I'm going this route. Resto-mod for my OEM radio.

    https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=421082
    Hmm, that looks really cool, but the BT board costs more than the new deck I bought.

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  • Aleman
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    Originally posted by Andrew325is View Post
    Are most people running these stock radios or going aftermarket? Besides nostalgia and originality what are the benefits of running the stock radio? I have the original radio and amp for mine that the previous owner has cut out. I could wire it back in, but I got a new Alpine unit I'm planning to install instead. I want to be able to hook up the iPod/iPhone and HD radio, BT, and a CD player are nice... Thoughts?
    I'm going this route. Resto-mod for my OEM radio.

    https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=421082

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  • Andrew325is
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    Are most people running these stock radios or going aftermarket? Besides nostalgia and originality what are the benefits of running the stock radio? I have the original radio and amp for mine that the previous owner has cut out. I could wire it back in, but I got a new Alpine unit I'm planning to install instead. I want to be able to hook up the iPod/iPhone and HD radio, BT, and a CD player are nice... Thoughts?

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  • bradnic
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    Thanks @agent!

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  • agent
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    Stickied.

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  • bradnic
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    bump for sticky.

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  • strickland
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    Bump

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