Miller War Chip tunes.

[nando]

Yeah, no. Its more like sharing text files, not copies of ms word.

Once you've made a tune for your engine, it is not owned by miller, unless they pay for your dyno time.

Again, tune files are shared in every other community, which makes the product stronger, not weaker. MS would have died ages ago if everyone was so afraid to share tunes as miller is.

[fporro]

but they are copying the Millers's program as there's no VIEWER version of it., don't smoke and mirror it., is like if you want to collaboarte on a PDF file, you must own acrobat version, viewer verison only lets you look at files if you do not.

I'm all pro file sharing between rightful owners of the program, nothing done behinde curtains, on the wide open, but that's not what happening here., plain and simple.

say, someone buys 100 MAF's from wholeseller at $ 40 a pop, get's a hold of now pirated software and sell's their kit for $ 60, whala.,
another good company goes out of business after lot's of hard work due to moochiness.

It's not only software, I've seen and know of hardowrking folk whom's made deals with big tunners just to have his chassis add-on's ripped off after first small order. how did that help his company grow ? all it did was steal his ideas and have them cheaply made some place else. discusting.

[nando]

You need their war chip too.. not just a maf.

If somebody really wants to do wholesale pirating, motronic programming isnt exactly a secret.

[fporro]

there's maf kits that only come with a chip, no w.a.r. hardware required., such as my spare kit or for sale forum, that's the problem ...

[nando]

Yeah, im talking war tunes.. not ROM dumps

But, if you want to make your own MAF kit, you can already do it without copying miller. People have been doing it for years.

[fporro]

unfurtuanetly, does war tunes are same rom dumps on chip., exactly same.

[nando]

There must be a way to share fuel and timing maps? Screenshots?

[fporro]

screenshots would be the sensible way.

[E Verty]

Screenshots work, but you still don't get the load and RPM settings. They are specific to the mpc file and you cannot change them in the WAR software. It makes me very frustrated when seeing screenshots of "good tunes" but I cant acutally use the data because the tune has different load settings. I believe this is the only thing that holds WAR back from being comparable to a MS.

It's important that people are willing to share their tune files. Screenshots are great to figure out how the maps should be smoothed out, but the load settings is what drives me crazy. -- If Miller wont support us on it, I believe the Miller community should be allowed to.

[nando]

that.. and no datalogging, no live tracing, single coil output, batch injection, no real load axis, only one choice for load measuring device.. you get the drift. :p

[E Verty]

that.. and no datalogging, no live tracing, single coil output, batch injection, no real load axis, only one choice for load measuring device.. you get the drift. :p

LOL -- Yes I very much agree with you on every aspect. Miller is missing too many things to list.

In hindsight, I wish I went with MS. I bet all of us do. Hear that Miller Performance? Not a single customer is satisfied with your s---!!

For now I am stuck being a poor WAR chip owner, so I solve my problems with sketchy homemade Arduino signal processing and innovate logging to make up for all the things missing with the WAR chip. So much work, and it will still never compare to the interfacing with MS.

Anyone want to buy a Warchip?

[DmcL]

i have seen a couple of millers MAF tunes and their way of tuning for their MAF is the same way i tuned for my own MAF setup (obviously the MAF i used was not the same as what they used). but anyway to cut a long story short since the only real difference between a normal tune for an AFM-ed M20 and the miller MAF M20 tuning is 3 maps.

it would be possible (and fairly easy) to stop using their tuning software and simply use tunerpro with the moates ostrich 2.0 emulator and have access to all the maps you could possibly need to tune to make adjustments to things you wouldnt be able to with their software. the only catch is you would need to either know how to make a good definition (XDF) for tunerpro or pay someone who can. after that you have access to just about everything you could need to mess with.. AFM maps, part and full throttle maps, idle and cranking maps, ignition dwell, ICV maps to tweak idle speed, etc, etc, etc.

i have sucessfully used tunerpro and the ostrich emulator to tune plenty of E30's as well as make up a couple MAF setups that worked well for my own M20 and tuning an 8psi turbo M20 on some 30lb injectors i supplied... no need for a RRFPR and not running over rich/over lean anywhere once tuned via wideband and in cranking, idle, part and full throttle fuel maps.. no hot/cold start issues, etc. ran great. also for fun and giggles i tuned a more or less stock M20 to run 30lb injectors and again once tuned it ran as good or better than stock.

you can build what miller sell for less and tune it properly yourself without having to ask for work to be done to parameters you dont have access to in their software.

[aaron325ix]

i cant tell you how disapointed I've been with Miller performance. Sad thing is it was one of the things i was most looking forward to bolting on when I was building up my 2.8 stroker.

First, i order the MAF and chip. my maf was the 3.0 as per their recomendations for a 2.8 with 19# injectors. of course, they dont make an adapter with the 3" so keeping my airbox means that i will have to frankenstein it to make it work with my box, which i later did. After waiting over a week with no email or phone calls, I call them to see where my shipment is. The guy I got on the phone said, "oh yea our sensors have been on back order, sorry" not a phone call, email, nothing. took damn near 3 weeks to get my stuff.

Then, I finally get my MAF/chip installed motor, runs like poo. call miller, "oh yea that chip wont work with the 3" MAF you need the WAR." Well why did you sell it to me is what i was thinking, but fair enough. I shell out more money for the WAR. Of cousre the guy who always answers the phone is not the one i want to talk to. I always ask for Brody, but he is never available or too busy.

Finally, I get my wideband O2 sensor on, ready to do some street tuning to ge the fuel dialed in. my lap top has windows 7. WAR will only work with windows XP, not windows 7. Ok maybe i can just set it to run in XP mode. Oh no, I only have the 64bit home premium version, so i cant use XP mode. at least thats where im at now. unless any one has any tips, i need to get a better version of windows 7, so i can run windows XP mode, so i can tune my damn Miller software. Which i paid a pretty penny for i might add.

Bottom line is that i thought this was a company that was very close to the enthusiast community, but it just seems that around every corner i have been disapointed with their product and customer service. Now it seems that they frown upon customers sharing tunes that they make, wow, shameful. they sent me my WAR chip with a tune that was from a ireland motor which had 9:1 pistons and what not just to get me started. I guess its better than nothing but my motor has 10:1 MM pistons and head work and what not, so Im currently stuck with what ive got it seems. Sure would be nice if they would get back to the community and make things right. I think they could be a great company. As it stands I am very disapointed.

Sorry if this sounds more like a feedback thread kind of thing but I just was reading through this and had to voice.

[fporro]

A few weeks ago went and ordered a pnp ms2 from whodwho, installed this morning and now tuning it., W.A.R it's too simplistic to say the least.

now i can go grab some Alpha-N tunes, or as Keith said, hybrids maf/map one's.

I'll keep the W.A.R. on shelf for now and play with it later on after dialing in MS2.

[aaron325ix]

A few weeks ago went and ordered a pnp ms2 from whodwho, installed this morning and now tuning it., W.A.R it's too simplistic to say the least.

now i can go grab some Alpha-N tunes, or as Keith said, hybrids maf/map one's.

I'll keep the W.A.R. on shelf for now and play with it later on after dialing in MS2.

that doesnt really help me right now, but maybe some one from miller will read this and take note.

and im sorry fporro, but i have to go with nando on the issue of sharing tunes. absolute BS