Miller War Chip tunes.

[nando]

You need their war chip too.. not just a maf.

If somebody really wants to do wholesale pirating, motronic programming isnt exactly a secret.

[fporro]

but they are copying the Millers's program as there's no VIEWER version of it., don't smoke and mirror it., is like if you want to collaboarte on a PDF file, you must own acrobat version, viewer verison only lets you look at files if you do not.

I'm all pro file sharing between rightful owners of the program, nothing done behinde curtains, on the wide open, but that's not what happening here., plain and simple.

say, someone buys 100 MAF's from wholeseller at $ 40 a pop, get's a hold of now pirated software and sell's their kit for $ 60, whala.,
another good company goes out of business after lot's of hard work due to moochiness.

It's not only software, I've seen and know of hardowrking folk whom's made deals with big tunners just to have his chassis add-on's ripped off after first small order. how did that help his company grow ? all it did was steal his ideas and have them cheaply made some place else. discusting.

[nando]

Yeah, no. Its more like sharing text files, not copies of ms word.

Once you've made a tune for your engine, it is not owned by miller, unless they pay for your dyno time.

Again, tune files are shared in every other community, which makes the product stronger, not weaker. MS would have died ages ago if everyone was so afraid to share tunes as miller is.

[fporro]

crickets or ghosts sounds do not invalidate a firms rights. period.

when you buy a laptop you might order it loaded with whatever programs you like, but if you send me a file and I don't have the program to open it, then i must buy same program, not source it for free., that's what I'm saying., be it Microsoft, Apple or whatever other developer out there.

yes, the community would grow, but if there's no seed monies there will be no developers, that's a fact. you can't have chickens without eggs nor eggs without chickens.

I would love to have W.A.R.'s roots files and tweek it to whatever sensors I add to my car, even create an app for it so i could use my phone to tune it with, but that's not their stand at the moment, therefor no apps., respects for intellectual rights it like non existent.
Same goes for root files for this website, did you guy's just when and copied of the net or are you paying for the right to use the format.,
same thing brah.

[nando]

Easy answer Nando,

- Someone buys their own MAF for conversion and gets a shared tuned, Miller gets screwed.

- Someone clones a chip and sell it, it's plain robbery.

People rightfully feels that their tune its their own, yet the program that it's
written on they did squat for, someone else did and they should be rightfully compensated for.

Now you must understand the concept that sharing with someone whom has paid into it it's a whole different game than cloning and free loading.

In all, it kills any further commercial development of goodies for our community.

huh?

you paid miller for the ability to tune your own DME. that's the point of a WAR chip, right? it's not really any different than installing a Megasquirt - you're paying for the hardware that allows you to self tune. If all you wanted was an off the shelf tune you could have just bout a regular chip.

Megasquirt guys spend money on dyno time, and fuel, getting their maps right - and nobody even bats an eye about sharing their files because everyone benefits. The community is growing all the time. I've given away my own maps that I spent more than $500 in dyno time on all over the place. Why not?

the WAR guys freak out and now you're saying sharing tunes, for hardware that's meant for you to be able to tune, is bad because it will kill the market? It doesn't make any sense.

if you want to stay in the dark ages, black-box style tuning, that's fine, I won't stop you. Just making a suggestion that would most likely help you guys and Miller, not hurt them. A strong tuning community built around their platform would ultimately be better for sales of the hardware (and even software) than a "SHHHH! don't look behind the curtain!" approach.

right now, you talk about W.A.R. and it's crickets chirping..

[E Verty]

I thought on their website they promote sharing tunes, when the WAR forum was up people posted .mpc files for download.

I uploaded a bunch of things to dropbox, you can get at it here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fzmxjjadzqwmcd7/bJpyrZFMmo

[fporro]

Easy answer Nando,

- Someone buys their own MAF for conversion and gets a shared tuned, Miller gets screwed.

- Someone clones a chip and sell it, it's plain robbery.

People rightfully feels that their tune its their own, yet the program that it's
written on they did squat for, someone else did and they should be rightfully compensated for.

Now you must understand the concept that sharing with someone whom has paid into it it's a whole different game than cloning and free loading.

In all, it kills any further commercial development of goodies for our community.

[E Verty]

I don't get it. why not just share them? why do you guys think the megasquirt community has been so successful?

I completely agree. I have quite a few tunes I am willing to share right now. Message me your email address and I will set up a Dropbox for it. Everyone can just add their tunes if they choose to.

[nando]

I don't get it. why not just share them? why do you guys think the megasquirt community has been so successful?

[fporro]

Band of Millers instead of Band Of Brothers.,

there should be a way that we could bind our tunes without having free-loaders come on fishing for 'em, anyways, Brody explain the finest points on lucky post # 7 here...

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=236896&highlight=miller

[E Verty]

Good thread.

Does anyone have an idea how to get different load settings? I am running forced induction and I have had a lot of trouble getting a MAF map for it. I am pretty sure you can only modify the table values, so I need a .mpc file that has all the load ranges. KAmotors used to have one, but no longer has the file.

I also have some tunes that I made on Excel for the b25, sharing sounds good!

[diegom6]

The 071 ECU (s14) has the tab jumping thing as well. I have other issues as well, I even has a video of proof!

You guys know the P/T Fuel how exactly works? We have in the upright section the Load (M/S) with 3 3 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 7 7 7 8 or something like that.

For example, if I'm cruising at 3k RPM and climbing slowly at 1/4 or 1/2 throttle position, and I'm getting too rich (10.1 AFR) where I'm supose to lower the values in that MAP to reduce the fuel being injected under that load?

Thanks

-Diego

[schtozo]

Same bugs here! I just installed the WAR and im having the same problems with the tabs shifting positions. Ilateapex solution of not relying on reading from the chip is what i opted to do. Just edit on computer and copy to chip.

[ilateapex]

I was able to get a hold of Brody after calling about 5 times. He appeared to be occupied helping other customers. He spent plenty of time on the phone helping me and was a big help.

Here is what I found. The tunes downloaded during the install wizard are stored under "documents and settings" in a folder called "wc" So the original base tunes were still there.

Next, when uploading tunes to the chip, tab 1 goes to position 1 on the chip, tab 2 to position 2, etc. The bug is that when you read from the chip, Position 4 downloads to tab 1, and the rest shift down a tab. If you then upload they stay shifted like this until you read the chip again and they shift again. It can be hard to follow what tune is where this way. I plan to just save the tunes onto the computer and only write to the chip and not rely on reading from the chip.

Pleas note that this bug is not on all the chips and it is my understanding that it is not even consistent on different ECU's. Some of you with the 071 ECU may not have this problem. I have not been able to find any info about it so assume it is not wide spread. Brody and his team are working to resolve the issue and I hope my testing will help them understand what is happening. BTW, per Brody's suggestion I changed the max RPM to something different on each tune and was able to figure out which tune was is which spot. Just turn the knob and see how high it revs.

Michael

[nando]

the buttons on the tune "switching" aren't correct, they wired them in backwards or something (commonly posted)

anyway - you don't really need to switch tunes anyway, unless you're tuning for race gas or something. just leave it on whatever one you've tuned and call it good.