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    Cranks, occasionally pops, but no start

    Video of behavior: http://ogrestrength.com/nostart.mov

    Datalogs and msqs:


    1989 BMW 325i w/ M30B35 engine from 1991 535i, HX40 turbo setup
    MS2 v3.57 board
    Wasted spark with DIY autotune coils + Glen's Garage breakout board
    MS 3.0.3.r
    Tune reset to an MSQ that was known to work last year. So, my crank settings and everything should be fine.
    72lb/hr Low-Z injectors
    New starter, getting ~300rpm cranking. Pulling down to about 90kpa vacuum
    No idle control, just a cracked throttle plate (tried the gas during cranking)
    Battery trickle charged back to 12.5v+ before starting
    Car was working fine until about January, when the flywheel bolts vibrated loose. Once that was sorted, the car randomly seemed to run on 4 cylinders - it would start, but ran horribly. So, I dug into the wiring, and re-did a BUNCH of the grounds - I thought it was probably a weak spark issue. I pulled the ground wire from the GG wasted spark board by hand, so I thought that was the culprit. I screwed some other grounds up in the process, but I believe everything to be alright now.

    FUEL:I can hear the fuel pump prime pulse when the key is turned. I have a gauge fore of the fuel rail and it's reading 45 psi. I'm not SURE if the injectors are firing, but the (switched ground) wiring seems OK, and I checked that I had 12v at every injector with the key in running position. Should I test the injectors somehow to make sure that they're firing? Could the Low-Z be causing issues? Do I just pull the darn fuel rail and spray fuel into a bucket?

    SPARK: I pulled a wire from each coil pack to ensure I was getting switched ground, I am. I didn't have a good connection to the tower (just barely touched) so I had a weak orangy spark. I tested one coil pack with a proper spark wire and got white-blue spark. The spark plugs ran a little rich in tuning the turbo, but I'd think they should be ok enough to start the car considering until I messed with the wiring it could at least run itself on a few cylinders with a bad spark ground.

    COMPRESSION: I'm pulling some vacuum during cranking (down to 90kpa) - I'm not sure how else to test this. The behavior didn't start after any hard running; the car's been sitting except for intermittent attempts to start it for more or less 5 months. Should I be seeing more vacuum?

    Timing/Pickup: I'm kind of leaning this way. My tooth log shows 1-4 sync loss events in some of the cranking logs, would this be considered normal? Is this enough to prevent starting? I'm getting a decent rpm signal, it seems, but my tooth logger does show a "2nd longer tooth" that the literature I've read suggests a "compression effect" - I wasn't able to get the trigger logger to save to csv in tunerstudio, but my signal looked very much like this: http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms2extra/...60_2_crank.png
    I did redo the wires for the VR sensor pickup, could that have caused this issue?
    I feel like I'm incredibly close to having this thing running again, I just could use some help to figure out...whatever this is.

    Ryan
    '89 335is +turbo

    #2
    What happens if you spray some starting fluid down the intake? Sounds like its about to start but possibly not getting enough fuel/weak spark.

    Id try some starting fluid, if she runs then you know where to look.
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      #3
      Sprayed starting fluid into the intake manifold via the throttle plate - no change in symptoms. This is making me lean towards timing, though I think I'll pull the easiest plug to make sure it's getting wet with fuel and all that. I'll smell down the tailpipe a little better for fuel, still not 100% convinced it's fueled, but if the starting fluid didn't help, that makes me think its not for lack of fuel. It didn't even fire/hiccup at all with the starting fluid.
      I'll post tooth logs tonight, looking at them again I think that has to be the culprit - significant noise.
      '89 335is +turbo

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        #4
        Tooth logs (composite and tooth, and a another log just for kicks.



        Current plan:

        check injector firing
        rewire VR sensor
        check grounds

        My "Output stage ground" Motronic pin 24 is not hooked up, but I don't think this is the issue.
        '89 335is +turbo

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          #5
          my setup does this but only on hot starts. cold starts are perfectly fine. Im having to bump start when hot.

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            #6
            if you are getting synch loss during cranking, most likely that is your issue.
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              #7
              I checked again, I really had no sync loss.

              Traced everything, and I'm pretty sure it was the spark plugs - pulled them from the engine and I got no spark in the gap in the ones I pulled. Reference spark plugs I'd been using to test spark are strong, blue spark.

              So, yea, switching from BPR8ES to BPR7ES. I figure I have meth/h2O injection to keep my tune plenty safe at around 20 psi, and even at those cylinder pressures, BPR7ES should be fine.
              '89 335is +turbo

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