3.0L, 84mm bore, 89.6mm crank?

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  • nando
    Moderator
    • Nov 2003
    • 34827

    #16
    eta combustion chambers are "bathtub" shaped, not hemispherical. And many aftermarket pistons aren't very good..

    I'm pretty sure the 89.6mm crank clears no problem. you may have to shave the intermediate shaft, but there aren't normally block issues. the M52 crank counterweights being larger is why there are more clearance issues in general (even if you don't use the 130mm rod/i piston combo).

    also pretty sure the OP said it already fits and clears no problem.
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    • RobertK
      Kicked cancer's ASS.
      • Jun 2005
      • 5864

      #17
      Originally posted by nando
      eta combustion chambers are "bathtub" shaped, not hemispherical. And many aftermarket pistons aren't very good..

      I'm pretty sure the 89.6mm crank clears no problem. you may have to shave the intermediate shaft, but there aren't normally block issues. the M52 crank counterweights being larger is why there are more clearance issues in general (even if you don't use the 130mm rod/i piston combo).

      also pretty sure the OP said it already fits and clears no problem.
      Just because the crank by itself clears the block doesn't mean it will once the rods are installed. See the note from IE's website for installation of the 89.6mm crank. Its the rod angle that creates the clearance issue.

      Originally posted by IE
      Note: This kit requires modification of the block at the bottom of the bore for connecting rod clearance. We can supply kits with any combination of bore diameter and compression ratio by special order - call us.

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      • nando
        Moderator
        • Nov 2003
        • 34827

        #18
        Dunno. I haven't ever heard of people needing to clearance the block for the 89.6mm crank. Maybe it's because IE uses M20 rods.
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        • Raxe
          R3V Elite
          • Nov 2006
          • 5346

          #19
          The 89.6mm crank drops right in and spins freely, no modification needed.

          M20 135mm rods hit; they can probably be shaved down if needed but M54 135mm rods clear without issue as they're leaner and lighter right from the start.
          Last edited by Raxe; 03-29-2012, 11:40 AM.

          >> 1988 3.1 ITB E30 /// 2002 E46 M3 6MT / 2008 335xi 6MT / 1991 S38B36 E30 (sold)

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          • RobertK
            Kicked cancer's ASS.
            • Jun 2005
            • 5864

            #20
            Originally posted by Raxe
            The 89.6mm crank drops right in and spins freely, no modification needed.

            M20 135mm rods hit; they can probably be shaved down if needed but M54 135mm rods clear without issue as they're leaner and lighter right from the start.
            Didn't think about the M54 rod being lighter / thinner and from what I've been told its a pretty strong rod. If you pull it off I would love to see some pictures of the build.

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            • Raxe
              R3V Elite
              • Nov 2006
              • 5346

              #21
              I'll be going all the way with it, but I ended up going with new 85mm 9:1 JE pistons through IE. Unfortunately I just don't have the skill or equipment to machine these pistons to what I need, and there's no sense in paying someone else to do it for me when I can just outright buy what I really want.

              If someone already worked with a lathe/CNC machine it would be a pretty sweet project though.

              >> 1988 3.1 ITB E30 /// 2002 E46 M3 6MT / 2008 335xi 6MT / 1991 S38B36 E30 (sold)

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              • nando
                Moderator
                • Nov 2003
                • 34827

                #22
                Why 9:1? Going turbo?
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                • Raxe
                  R3V Elite
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 5346

                  #23
                  Our gas sucks, weak 91 octane is about as good as it gets here. My set goal is something very usable and simple, I don't want be hunting for higher octane if I don't have to.

                  I also haven't ruled out a turbo someday down the road when there's nothing left to do. ;P

                  >> 1988 3.1 ITB E30 /// 2002 E46 M3 6MT / 2008 335xi 6MT / 1991 S38B36 E30 (sold)

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                  • Wh33lhop
                    R3V OG
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 11705

                    #24
                    Hm. Plenty of places are stuck with 91 octane, 9:1 is still a little on the low side. What are you doing to the top end?
                    paint sucks

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                    • supernaughtIX
                      Wrencher
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 260

                      #25
                      I picked up an M54 bottom end today. Looks like I'm going to follow you on this.

                      I do have access to CNCs and a lathe so I'm going to try to work with the M54 pistons.

                      Chris, I haven't made it all the way through that 34 page e30tech link, but does it discuss machining M54 pistons somewhere?
                      88 325 IX DiamantSchwarz - TOURING - waiting...
                      89 325 IX AlpinWeiß - Gone
                      88 325 IX DiamantSchwarz - Parted
                      89 325 IX RoyalBlau - Parted
                      88 325 IX RoyalBlau - Gone
                      88 325 IX DiamantSchwarz - Parted

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                      • SpecM
                        R3V Elite
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 4531

                        #26
                        what c/r comes from an m54 rotating assembly and an 885 head?
                        1989 cirrisblau-metallic 325i

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                        • Wh33lhop
                          R3V OG
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 11705

                          #27
                          Originally posted by SpecM
                          what c/r comes from an m54 rotating assembly and an 885 head?
                          You don't want to do that. Read the thread.
                          paint sucks

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                          • SpecM
                            R3V Elite
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 4531

                            #28
                            Yes, I know the pistons must be machined... and I know the the exact c/r will depend on how and how much they are machined...

                            Stock m54b30 is 10.5:1, iirc. But that is with an entirely different head

                            And I read the thread just fine the first time

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                            1989 cirrisblau-metallic 325i

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                            • Raxe
                              R3V Elite
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 5346

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Wh33lhop
                              Hm. Plenty of places are stuck with 91 octane, 9:1 is still a little on the low side. What are you doing to the top end?
                              Top end is mostly done at the moment, just standard mods: oversized valves, 272 cam, heavy duty rockers and adjustable cam gear. When I put it on that block (in a few months) it should have M30B35 injectors and throttle body as well.

                              Last edited by Raxe; 03-29-2012, 08:05 PM.

                              >> 1988 3.1 ITB E30 /// 2002 E46 M3 6MT / 2008 335xi 6MT / 1991 S38B36 E30 (sold)

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                              • nando
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 34827

                                #30
                                With the 272 i would shoot for 9.5 or even 10:1. 9:1 is really too low to be used with an aftermarket cam.
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