M42 Vehicle Speed Sensor/ Timing off/ Bad Idle?

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  • lolcantturn
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    • Oct 2010
    • 4588

    #1

    M42 Vehicle Speed Sensor/ Timing off/ Bad Idle?

    Replaced the TPS to a new OEM TPS and also tried various ECU's and it does not work. I've had working stomp tests on my previous E30's so I know how to get it to work, but it seems like its not working, and I'm probably going to contribute my bad idle to whateve the problem may be. Any ideas?

    EDIT: I got my codes read by a diagnostic tool and it came up VSS (Vechicle speed sensor). Can this really affect idle? My idle sounds like its cammed
    Last edited by lolcantturn; 08-25-2013, 02:50 PM.
    Originally posted by TSI
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  • Dj Buttchug
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    • Jun 2010
    • 7633

    #2
    wait so the car wont flash codes at you?

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    • roguetoaster
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      • Jan 2012
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      #3
      Have you tried actuating the TB by hand in the engine bay, seems like the cable may not be adjusted correctly?

      Otherwise, does your CEL light up when you key up the engine? If not bulb/board failure.

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      • Dj Buttchug
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        • Jun 2010
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        #4
        Originally posted by roguetoaster

        Otherwise, does your CEL light up when you key up the engine? If not bulb/board failure.
        ^this

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        • lolcantturn
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          • Oct 2010
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          #5
          Originally posted by roguetoaster
          Have you tried actuating the TB by hand in the engine bay, seems like the cable may not be adjusted correctly?

          Otherwise, does your CEL light up when you key up the engine? If not bulb/board failure.
          I have indeed done that. It does not flash codes at me. The CEL lights up on accessory.
          Originally posted by TSI
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          • roguetoaster
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            • Jan 2012
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            #6
            Guess you must have an electrical fault somewhere, likely at the TPS or in its loom. Is the wire kinked at the end of the plug boot/skirt?

            I would start diagnosis by jumping/powering the correct two terminals on the TPS plug (not sure which two) and try to tell the ECU you are at WOT 5x.

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            • lolcantturn
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              • Oct 2010
              • 4588

              #7
              Originally posted by roguetoaster
              Guess you must have an electrical fault somewhere, likely at the TPS or in its loom. Is the wire kinked at the end of the plug boot/skirt?

              I would start diagnosis by jumping/powering the correct two terminals on the TPS plug (not sure which two) and try to tell the ECU you are at WOT 5x.
              Wire is not kinked. I did not jumper the TPS, but I did get a snap-on diagnostic tool to read the stored codes of my car. What came up was
              Vechicle speed sensor (VSS).

              Can this actually affect idle on a M42?
              Originally posted by TSI
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              • Balleristic31
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                • Aug 2009
                • 4198

                #8
                Shouldn't it's on the diff

                -NICK

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                • Dj Buttchug
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                  • Jun 2010
                  • 7633

                  #9
                  dude did you set the speed sensor ohms before you installed it...??? You cant just slap on a new tps.

                  Banking on TPS is not reading properly causing shitty idle?? this will not throw any codes

                  I dont have a bentley but theres specific ohm setting on full range tps sensors.

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                  • lolcantturn
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                    • Oct 2010
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Dj Buttchug
                    dude did you set the speed sensor ohms before you installed it...??? You cant just slap on a new tps.

                    Banking on TPS is not reading properly causing shitty idle?? this will not throw any codes

                    I dont have a bentley but theres specific ohm setting on full range tps sensors.
                    I...never..knew...this....


                    Welp.


                    I'll take a look at the E36 Bentley if there is one

                    EDIT: I'm not sure how right this is:
                    Originally posted by TSI
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                    • lolcantturn
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                      • Oct 2010
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                      #11
                      I'm not sure how you would adjust the TPS- It's not like the M20 where it can "slide," the M42 TPS just has two holes for screws and thats it.
                      Originally posted by TSI
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                      • roguetoaster
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                        • Jan 2012
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by lolcantturn
                        I'm not sure how you would adjust the TPS- It's not like the M20 where it can "slide," the M42 TPS just has two holes for screws and thats it.
                        I am fairly sure the "adjusting speed sensor ohms" thing should have had a /sarcasm appended. AFAIK a TPS is fit and forget.

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                        • Dj Buttchug
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                          • Jun 2010
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                          #13
                          forgive me of my sarcasm op. I was heavily intoxicated. updates?

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                          • lolcantturn
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                            • Oct 2010
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by roguetoaster
                            I am fairly sure the "adjusting speed sensor ohms" thing should have had a /sarcasm appended. AFAIK a TPS is fit and forget.
                            Originally posted by Dj Buttchug
                            forgive me of my sarcasm op. I was heavily intoxicated. updates?
                            LOL.

                            Well, I ohm'd out my CPS.
                            According to a fellow on M42 club, the CPS should be 640ohms +/- 10%
                            Mine checked out at 618ohms. So that seems fine. I though that the CPS might have skewed the ignition timing a bit.


                            I checked my O2 sensor and it was greatly out of spec, the volt reading was really high.
                            But that's strange if my O2 sensor has been out of spec this whole time as I've been getting consistant 32MPG highway.


                            Here are some of my symptoms, just to recap:
                            Long cranking times (5 seconds give or take)
                            Or weak starts (1 cylinder...2 cylinder.....2....then all 4 cyls fire)
                            Or sometimes I'll have to give it gas to start
                            Sounds cammed.
                            At any RPM it doesn't really hold it, if I rev it to 3k and try to hold it there it'll go up or down 100rpms- sounds like there is a very very tiny misfire
                            Can't hold the A/C on.
                            High idle- 950rpm
                            Cold starts are extremely shitty. Idles at 100-200rpm then gets better as warms up.
                            No codes except the vehicle speed sensor.
                            Yes, that firewall wire is disconnected

                            What I've changed, and these are all new OEM parts:
                            Cam position sensor
                            Fuel filter
                            ICV (changed this a lot)
                            AFM (from a known well idling E30)
                            Fuel injectors, flow tested
                            Coil packs
                            Spark plugs and wires
                            TPS

                            There is no vac leak as per smoke test.
                            Last edited by lolcantturn; 08-26-2013, 05:34 PM.
                            Originally posted by TSI
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                            • Dj Buttchug
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                              • Jun 2010
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                              #15
                              what about fuel pump? checked pressure?

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