Now that the honeymoon is over...

[Jonsku]

very good info from Jgood and Jonsku.

Jgood, it would be interesting to see how your M60 E30 stacks up to other contemporary fast cars.


i want to get my M60 in my E28 soooo bad.....

When comparing to other "performance cars", E30 M60 is similar in performance to E36 / E46 M3, slightly faster when in speed as it has more torque and less weight. Of course from standing start the newer suspension geometry plays it part..

[StealthiE30]

Ugh you guys arent helping me with my "problem". Now im changing my search parameters from s50/2 to M60. Im a sucker for v8's always have been. My question is how does the rest of the car feel with the added weight? Does it take away from its ability in the corners or add to it?

[R3Z3N]

^^^I feel even with the S50/2 the added weight over the front detracts from it's rotation, even with corrected springs... Not that it can't be dialed out or is slower/faster, but I prefer the handling of an E30 with a 4 pot up front. Of course corner balancing and tossing weight out can fix all of this... I just really prefer a 50/50 weight distribution, or closer to mid engine cars. Mine comes darn close to 55/45...but I do quite well locally AutoXing it. I just drive around the front end more.

[JGood]

Ugh you guys arent helping me with my "problem". Now im changing my search parameters from s50/2 to M60. Im a sucker for v8's always have been. My question is how does the rest of the car feel with the added weight? Does it take away from its ability in the corners or add to it?

I lost about 35 lbs going from an m50 to the m60. Granted, while I was doing the swap, I rebuilt the car and did get rid of the interior sound deadening. But I went from 2720 to 2685. Same scales were used.

[iamsam]

There is some serious M6x hate going on in this thread: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=887016

granted, they are talking about an E36, but surely the swap has to be easier in an E36 than an E30?

[JGood]

but surely the swap has to be easier in an E36 than an E30?

Not at all.

The m6x in an e36 would require a custom oil pan and pump/pickup setup, custom headers, etc...

Alpina made them, it's called the Alpina B8 4.6. They used the 4.6 that came in the X5 4.6i, a 350 bhp bored, stroked, cammed version of the m62b44.

Don't get any ideas, the engines are rare to find and $$$.

[iamsam]

^^^ ha ha no ideas are formulating!!

A buddy of mine has it in his head that he wants an M60B44 hybrid engine in his E36.

I am sure that I had something to do with that

[Jonsku]

My friend built E36 V8, helped him quite a lot with the project.

Couple of pointers;

+Brake assembly can remain stock, no changes required
+E36 has better suspenion geometry than E30

-Oilsump and oil pump need to be relocated
-The frame rails are more narrow in E36 than in E30
-Height on engine bay is smaller in E36 than in E30 (especially the frontmost part)
-Front stabilizer interferes with oil sump
-Steering rod / shaft interferes with exhaust manifolds



Can be done, sure, but it's not a "walk in the park" :)

[iamsam]

^^ yeesh. Well I'll have to relay this info to my buddy w/ the E36. It's funny that the E36 has less engine bay space than the (smaller) E30 does. Just from observation it seems that way as well, but I never verified that, until now of course.

Ok, so does the E28 have the same or more bay space than the E30? I would assume more...

[dirty30]

Does your opinion consider including a modestly turboed M5x/S5x?

No. If I was comparing a modestly turbo'd M50 to a V8 I would compare it to a modestly supercharged M60.

[willworkfore30s]

Well you guys have talked me out of an M/S5x swap. I think it will probably end up being small block ford for me.

[Jonsku]

Ok, so does the E28 have the same or more bay space than the E30? I would assume more...

Seems there's quite nicely space... :)

[elguapo84]

No. If I was comparing a modestly turbo'd M50 to a V8 I would compare it to a modestly supercharged M60.

Can you fit a supercharger in an M60 swapped E30 without modifying the hood? Has someone already done this? This just got really interesting.

Also, here's a call out to all you hybrid M60B44 people. What are your findings? Worth the added effort? Reliable and viable?

[iamsam]

Seems there's quite nicely space... :)

[Jonsku]

Can you fit a supercharger in an M60 swapped E30 without modifying the hood? Has someone already done this? This just got really interesting.

Yes you can, this is one example from Germany:

Also, here's a call out to all you hybrid M60B44 people. What are your findings? Worth the added effort? Reliable and viable?

It's good.