Supercharging my M60

[ex566]

wow i wana drive it when you are done

subd

[e30polak]

I would not have swapped from a turbo m20 to an m60. Not a potent enough set-up to switch to IMO.

Hope the ports line up, otherwise you'll need to fabricate some short runners, which will likely raise the set-up and cause hood clearance issues.

[george graves]

I would not have swapped from a turbo m20 to an m60. Not a potent enough set-up to switch to IMO.

Not to be argumentative, but you can't really compare the two - apples to oranges IMHO. I think the m60 is just about the *perfect* motor for an e30.

[e30polak]

Not to be argumentative, but you can't really compare the two - apples to oranges IMHO. I think the m60 is just about the *perfect* motor for an e30.

Sure you can compare them. I've driven both, and I feel that a properly built, turbo M20 is much more fun and definitely more potent than an M60B40 swap. The only M6X motor worth doing is an M62 IMO, or an S62.

As I stated, it's my opinion, didn't say it was my way or the highway. IMO a properly built S52 is just as much fun as an M60, but with way more potential.

IMO the perfect NA motor that I've driven in an e30 is an S54. The M60 may be a cheaper option, but it isn't nearly as fun in comparison. I'm sure an LS1 is even better, but I think the torque is too much for the chassis and rear end. I like to drive my cars hard, and an e30 would need a lot of work to properly handle the torque of an LSX without constantly breaking things.

[mark///m3]

I would not have swapped from a turbo m20 to an m60. Not a potent enough set-up to switch to IMO.

Hope the ports line up, otherwise you'll need to fabricate some short runners, which will likely raise the set-up and cause hood clearance issues.

Sure you can compare them. I've driven both, and I feel that a properly built, turbo M20 is much more fun and definitely more potent than an M60B40 swap. The only M6X motor worth doing is an M62 IMO, or an S62.

As I stated, it's my opinion, didn't say it was my way or the highway. IMO a properly built S52 is just as much fun as an M60, but with way more potential.

IMO the perfect NA motor that I've driven in an e30 is an S54. The M60 may be a cheaper option, but it isn't nearly as fun in comparison. I'm sure an LS1 is even better, but I think the torque is too much for the chassis and rear end. I like to drive my cars hard, and an e30 would need a lot of work to properly handle the torque of an LSX without constantly breaking things.

The m20 was a good amount faster top end but the low end of the m60 is what made me do the swap. I thought I wouldn't miss the top end since it isn't very often you can use it but I do miss it. That's why I am hoping that supercharging the m60 will be the best of both worlds

[mark///m3]

So I found out that all the parts under the intakes are custom. Also the big intercoolers will not clear the hood. I am not giving up on this one and will make some way to super charge this soon.

[MonkeyMadness]

No don't give up...!

[MonkeyMadness]

Interesting!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jaguar-4-0-Supercharger-Intake-Throttle-1998-1999-2000-2001-2002-2003-XJR-XKR-/331012044534?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4d11daf6f6&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-JAGUAR-S-TYPE-R-MODEL-SUPERCHARGER-76K-MILES-SUPER-CHARGER-/130840977296?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e76badf90&vxp=mtr

[DER E30]

Sub'd, this will be really cool.

[M3 euro ltw]

Roots option

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321203643271&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

Not thrilled with the coolant lines, and someone smarter than me challenged the side hoses and clamps, but overall, once installed with the cover back on, this looks compact, and tight.

I'd question the tuning, but a miller war chip might solve all that.

This is cross posted, in BFC a few people poo-pood it as terrible quality.

I asked guy in ebay if he had anybody with the kit posting in forums about their experience, and answer was negative.

[mark///m3]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tchlink:top:en

Not thrilled with the coolant lines, and someone smarter than me challenged the side hoses and clamps, but overall, once installed with the cover back on, this looks compact, and tight.

I'd question the tuning, but a miller war chip might solve all that.

This is cross posted, in BFC a few people poo-pood it as terrible quality.

I asked guy in ebay if he had anybody with the kit posting in forums about their experience, and answer was negative.

I've been talking with Tim the guy who makes the kits. He has been pretty informative about everything. I am a bit weary about the tune as well. It seems he uses some type of fuel pressure regulator and stock injectors. He sent me some dyno results and the kit does make some very good power. This is what I am swaying towards as of right now. I still have a little while before I pull the trigger so I am still open to exploring other options.

The lower intake manifolds are all custom to make the original intakes I posted work. Anybody with fabrication skills want to have at making the lower sections? The Jaguar lower section that I ordered came in and there is no way the angles will be correct with the m60 heads. Maybe we can make everything m60/e30 friendly....

Another thing that I did not take into consideration that Tim's setup does is the crankcase breather. Although in all fairness it wouldn't be too hard to some type of conventional breather pcv valve assembly hidden away.

[M3 euro ltw]

Ebay Kit.

Well, hello there!

Interesting. I sent him a note via ebay, asking if anyone had installed his kit and was reporting on it in a public forum. Not apparantly.

If you are on speaking terms with him, urge him to share with you some emails or phone numbers of people who are happy with the product, and if not computer literate, at least willing to serve on the phone as people endorsing the product.

(or not, just my 02 cents worth)

In BFC they criticized the pressure regulator as a bad way to "do it", not having looked in depth into other SC kits yet, so I'm totally a noob on this, I'm not sure what the accepted "better" paths are, other than different injectors chosen to match the current fpr that is stock. But the stock one is also a FPR that reacts to vacuum off the line, no different than adjustable aftermarket ones... just not adjustable...

To me, if your fuel pressure is higher, but within the tolerance of the injector and duty cycle, and you can tune the low rpm through the high rpm, I'm not sure there is a significant difference.... but I'm a noob on this subject.

Heck, if you can tune it, and you're not at the max of injector duty cycle, isn't an adjustable FPR cheaper than 8 new injectors?

Did Tim have any comments about the silicone hose and the hose clamps holding pressure on each side?

Alex.

I've been talking with Tim the guy who makes the kits. He has been pretty informative about everything. I am a bit weary about the tune as well. It seems he uses some type of fuel pressure regulator and stock injectors. He sent me some dyno results and the kit does make some very good power. This is what I am swaying towards as of right now. I still have a little while before I pull the trigger so I am still open to exploring other options.

The lower intake manifolds are all custom to make the original intakes I posted work. Anybody with fabrication skills want to have at making the lower sections? The Jaguar lower section that I ordered came in and there is no way the angles will be correct with the m60 heads. Maybe we can make everything m60/e30 friendly....

Another thing that I did not take into consideration that Tim's setup does is the crankcase breather. Although in all fairness it wouldn't be too hard to some type of conventional breather pcv valve assembly hidden away.

[MonkeyMadness]

The lower intake manifolds are all custom to make the original intakes I posted work. Anybody with fabrication skills want to have at making the lower sections? The Jaguar lower section that I ordered came in and there is no way the angles will be correct with the m60 heads. Maybe we can make everything m60/e30 friendly....

I would love to be apart of this and help out with the fab.
I'm very interested in doing this myself and any amount of heads up work or R&D i can do ahead of time would be awesome.
Its this or i fab up a manifold i can mount an SVT Cobra charger to.
PM me if your interested...

[Yorl]

I still don't get the raising fpr thing. Come on, it's 2013!! That was ghetto, even in 2000 with turbo civics....I mean, if you're going to do it, do it right. At least get a war, some bigger injectors, and peace of mind. You will spend a few thousands buying the hardware, and save a few hundreds on tuning, which, by the way, is the most delicate part. Even more on an engine that was not meant to be supercharged. I see this stuff at work almost every week, and it makes me sick

[JGood]

There's a guy on bf.c working on an m60 roots supercharger kit, utilizing a Laminova core intercooler, shooting for a $4k-ish price point. I inquired about possible e30 fitment, but he's not sure if there's room.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2018322-POLL-Gauging-interest-for-M60-M62-M62TU-roots-supercharger-kit

Personally, I'd love to fit a centrifugal S/C where the A/C compressor goes; it would be 100% hidden, quite, and wouldn't require any modifications to my engine bay as-is. It's been done, but wouldn't exactly be 'easy'.