Not Another Cheap V8 Swap... (Pic Heavy)

[shiboujin]

The dual master setup halves your effort (more or less). So it's likely not an issue for you. Got a link to that wilwood setup? I wouldn't mind swapping to it if it was cheap enough.

[Q8y_drifter]

I'm not sure what the deal is with boosterless brakes. I run the Garagistic twin MC wilwood setup on mine. Granted the car is, P/S-less, A/C-less and a base model E30 so its on the lighter side of the scale but again I'm on stock non-vented 316i front brakes and rear drums with old as fuck pads/rotors and it stops just fine. I'm also 5ft6 130lb and haven't seen a gym since high school. I'm going with a BBK but that's only because I intend to track the car and don't want any fade.

[E30Whore]

I'm not sure I've ever seen the sikky hydroboost on an M60 swapped car. I had the hydroboost and manual on my LS2. I think something is just fubar with my braking system and I don't know what. It's always felt off.

I will say the hydroboost unit does add some disconnection to your brakes. I don't know how to explain it, but your foot on the pedal isn't direct to the brakes. It takes a second for the pressure to build or something. Flooring the pedal didn't feel the same. I honestly prefer the manual brake feel. But, you do what you got to do.

I drove a manual braked e30 before and liked the feel. It was heavy and requires you to be more alert but it wasn't a bad experience. It's been a long time but I recall enjoying it and having no bad experiences. We'll see what happens.


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[E30Whore]

ok man. let me know how that works out for you.


i know sikky charges 1300 bucks for the setup and that is a pricey pill to swallow. however, you can buy the firewall to gm booster bracket from them for 2-300 bucks. the booster to master cylinder bracket can be purchased from eBay or sikky for about 100 bucks. the booster can be had for about 130 dollars. you can make the hoses for less than 100. i am saying that for the same price you can have a boosted brake system instead of screwing around with that willwood bullshit. in the end it is your car, so you can do with it as you wish. that line about "adding to the driving experience" is one of the silliest things i have read on r3v. (no offense and with all due respect of course). i honestly hope you enjoy it and that it works well for you. personally, i'm not messing around with that crap. i don't want a race car. i am building a street car with refinements such as power steering, power brakes, and air conditioning.

Thanks for the info and for posting how and where to locate the parts. If it sucks (and it might) I will try to build a boosted setup but I don't want to fix something that may work just fine until I drive it and feel for myself. I also run power steering and AC because I'm spoiled and want to be comfortable.


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[shiboujin]

I'm not sure I've ever seen the sikky hydroboost on an M60 swapped car. I had the hydroboost and manual on my LS2. I think something is just fubar with my braking system and I don't know what. It's always felt off.

I will say the hydroboost unit does add some disconnection to your brakes. I don't know how to explain it, but your foot on the pedal isn't direct to the brakes. It takes a second for the pressure to build or something. Flooring the pedal didn't feel the same. I honestly prefer the manual brake feel. But, you do what you got to do.

[flyboyx]

it adds to the driving experience of the car. If it sucks, I'll by the hydroboost Kit. Otherwise, I'll enjoy what I have


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Well said.


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ok man. let me know how that works out for you.


i know sikky charges 1300 bucks for the setup and that is a pricey pill to swallow. however, you can buy the firewall to gm booster bracket from them for 2-300 bucks. the booster to master cylinder bracket can be purchased from eBay or sikky for about 100 bucks. the booster can be had for about 130 dollars. you can make the hoses for less than 100. i am saying that for the same price you can have a boosted brake system instead of screwing around with that willwood bullshit. in the end it is your car, so you can do with it as you wish. that line about "adding to the driving experience" is one of the silliest things i have read on r3v. (no offense and with all due respect of course). i honestly hope you enjoy it and that it works well for you. personally, i'm not messing around with that crap. i don't want a race car. i am building a street car with refinements such as power steering, power brakes, and air conditioning.

[Reyhan335]

I'm not stressing the boosterless setup. Sikky is who recommends I go boosterless, said it adds to the driving experience of the car. If it sucks, I'll by the hydroboost Kit. Otherwise, I'll enjoy what I have


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Well said.


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[E30Whore]

why not use the sikky hydroboost unit? it mounts on the outside of the firewall. if i had the option of using something along those lines as opposed to manual brakes, i would certainly choose boosted. if its a cost issue, they will sell the adapters they made for both ends for less than 500.00 bucks.



i'm looking pretty seriously at using that gm hydroboost unit in a remote location under the hood with my s62 swap because there is no room for the booster on the firewall with that engine.

I'm not stressing the boosterless setup. Sikky is who recommends I go boosterless, said it adds to the driving experience of the car. If it sucks, I'll by the hydroboost Kit. Otherwise, I'll enjoy what I have


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[flyboyx]

That's correct, it's larger. The E32 bore is bigger, so you're pushing more fluid for a given distance > more braking force and a "harder" pedal.

It will not increase my stopping distance but will assist my peddle feel. I'll still have to lay on the brakes but they are manual so that's what I'd expect regardless. By going this route, I should eliminate the mushy or soft feel common with bigger calipers.



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why not use the sikky hydroboost unit? it mounts on the outside of the firewall. if i had the option of using something along those lines as opposed to manual brakes, i would certainly choose boosted. if its a cost issue, they will sell the adapters they made for both ends for less than 500.00 bucks.

i'm looking pretty seriously at using that gm hydroboost unit in a remote location under the hood with my s62 swap because there is no room for the booster on the firewall with that engine.

[E30Whore]

I figured you'd want a smaller bore not a larger one. Even with the RX7 upgrade, without a booster, you'll want all the help you can get. The 750 master (correct me if I'm wrong) is a larger bore. like 25/23mm instead of the stock 22/20 or something like that.

That's correct, it's larger. The E32 bore is bigger, so you're pushing more fluid for a given distance > more braking force and a "harder" pedal.

It will not increase my stopping distance but will assist my peddle feel. I'll still have to lay on the brakes but they are manual so that's what I'd expect regardless. By going this route, I should eliminate the mushy or soft feel common with bigger calipers.



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[shiboujin]

I figured you'd want a smaller bore not a larger one. Even with the RX7 upgrade, without a booster, you'll want all the help you can get. The 750 master (correct me if I'm wrong) is a larger bore. like 25/23mm instead of the stock 22/20 or something like that.

[z28]

Cool, thanks.

[E30Whore]

Nice to see an update. Why are you switching to the 750i MC? Do you have the part number for the MC? Im using your thread for reference for when I do my swap.

I purchased it from ECS tuning. Went with the 750i because I'm using the RX7 caliper upgrade. I know there is some mixed information on this topic but from what I can gather, the 750i MC is best suited for these calipers. Since my stock one failed, figured now is the time to do it. I'll post my impressions after first drive and again after long term use.





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[z28]

Nice to see an update. Why are you switching to the 750i MC? Do you have the part number for the MC? Im using your thread for reference for when I do my swap.

[E30Whore]

R3V Update: The car has been at Mayhem this whole time. The hold has been waiting on the 750i MC that I ordered from ECS. It was back ordered for two weeks which set us back. Everything else (mechanically) has been addressed and I have a appointment this Friday to tune it. Fingers crossed all goes well.

I'll keep you guys posted.

In the meantime, I ordered/received a bunch of goodies to address cosmetics [emoji16][emoji16][emoji33]

I'll snap some pix for you guys later tonight or tomorrow once I get everything opened up.

Cheers


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