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  • dougie30
    E30 Mastermind
    • Apr 2012
    • 1708

    #1

    boosterless brake bias valve

    I have the garagistic booster less brake setup with the willwood master cylinders. Im curious on how other have ran a brake bias valve with the duel master cylinder setup??

    I feel having the bias valve in line with just the rear brakes wouldn't help, should it not be controlling both front and rear? on a normal master cyl setup its just one line in one line out?

    not sure how to rout one but any info (preferably pics ) would be awesome.
    M30 is God's motor.....but Jesus drives an M60'd car -slammin.e28
  • e30_302
    E30 Addict
    • Sep 2013
    • 453

    #2
    If you're using dual masters I'd use a balance bar vs a prop valve.
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    • dougie30
      E30 Mastermind
      • Apr 2012
      • 1708

      #3
      I believe this setup has a balance bar, just nearly impossible to get to once installed.
      M30 is God's motor.....but Jesus drives an M60'd car -slammin.e28

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      • FredK
        R3V OG
        • Oct 2003
        • 14747

        #4
        It already comes with a balance bar, so if you're concerned about access, get a remote balance bar adjuster and mount it in a more convenient area.

        As a part of installing the setup into your car, it's likely you will have to adjust the master cylinder input rods after you plumb the system in, and dial in the balance bar adjustment.

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        • dougie30
          E30 Mastermind
          • Apr 2012
          • 1708

          #5
          Remote balance bar adjuster?? Never new that existed. Is it like linkage or something??

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          • e30_302
            E30 Addict
            • Sep 2013
            • 453

            #6
            http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Wilwoo...able,1388.html
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            • dougie30
              E30 Mastermind
              • Apr 2012
              • 1708

              #7
              Awesome, thank you

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              • jpod999
                E30 Fanatic
                • Dec 2015
                • 1401

                #8
                With the remote adjuster you will need to modify the garagistic bracket slightly: http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=394077

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                • 36brua
                  Mod Crazy
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 689

                  #9
                  I installed both Wilwood proportioning valve and cable adjuster.
                  Clearanced the garagistic bracket as shown in other post. Set balance bar 'neutral'.
                  My brake set up is E36 frnt , E 30M3 rear. I replaced the factory proportioning valve to rear brakes with the Wilwood adj. Installed the proportioning valve to dial in the f/r bias and use the cable to tune. I'm planning to install larger 330 frnt brakes so resetting bias is easier
                  GL
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                  • Madhatter
                    E30 Modder
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 966

                    #10
                    inline valves are basically just pressure regulators. So you use the balance bar on the pedal box to set your bias, front to rear, then fine tune with a proportioning valve. Wilwood make a M10x1.0 one to fit bmw brake lines that will go right in.
                    Just a little project im working on
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                    • 36brua
                      Mod Crazy
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 689

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Madhatter
                      inline valves are basically just pressure regulators. So you use the balance bar on the pedal box to set your bias, front to rear, then fine tune with a proportioning valve. Wilwood make a M10x1.0 one to fit bmw brake lines that will go right in.
                      True - oops yes I do have balance bar set a bit to front after road test
                      My CA legal M60 swap

                      The happening in our garage

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                      • dougie30
                        E30 Mastermind
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 1708

                        #12
                        This is all great info I appreciate it, so balance bar adjust and manual prop valve? Do any of you have pictures of your brake line set up? I'm very interested.

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                        • Madhatter
                          E30 Modder
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 966

                          #13
                          I put my proportioning valve in the engine bay because the car is still street driven, so you can't have it adjustable from within the car when running. Im going to relocate it inside now im putting the cage and stuff into the car. Probably going to mount it on the trans tunnel so it's in easy reach.

                          Just a little project im working on
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                          • dougie30
                            E30 Mastermind
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 1708

                            #14
                            Why does it have to be in the bay if it is street driven? I was hoping to put mine on the trans tunnel too

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                            • delamaize
                              E30 Fanatic
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 1429

                              #15
                              Originally posted by dougie30
                              Why does it have to be in the bay if it is street driven? I was hoping to put mine on the trans tunnel too

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                              I'd say it's probably a law in Australia.
                              I want to put a proportioning valve on mine also, but I'm still running ABS, and I am not sure if I should put it before or after the pump.....
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