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    Calling all Z3 Rack Internals Gurus

    So I just completed teardown of a z3 steering rack. No issues so far but a question has come up. When I removed the rack hard lines (aka crossover lines) the special plastic little seal thingies that seal the lines to the body didn't look too good, and may have been a source of leakage as visually it seemed that way. I won't call them o rings because they aren't a normal o ring.

    In the first picture you can see pieces of the seal caught up in the fitting.
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    I cannot find the technical name for such a type of seal, and have never seen one before like this. It's made of semi soft plastic. I have been unable to find an example of similar seals either, in my hunt to identify this seal type.

    I purchased the same edelmann seal kit that everyone uses for these racks. Included were 4 small o rings that would have to be for this (I assume as they're way too small for anything else...and there's 4 of them), but they are regular style rubber. I am not sure if the kit was designed:

    --to fully replace the plastic seals (this option doesn't seem right, I wil elaborate below...)
    OR
    --the included o rings fit inside of these plastic seals, making the plastics act as an o-ring locater. They do nestle into the plastics pretty nicely, but that doesn't mean they're supposed to get installed that way. From the factory there were only the plastics.

    The reason I assume the included o rings aren't supposed to simply replace the plastic is because there is a gap around the OD of the orings when placed into the rack ports. Seems like tightening them as tight as the fittings were during disassembly would rip them up.

    That is what got me thinking, perhaps they are super hard to source/make etc so as a workaround the o rings are supposed to simply get located by the original plastics. Then when tightening the o ring just gets sandwiched by the end of the tube to rack port and its outward squeeze/stretch is stopped by the plastics. If you look at the pic of the fitting again, the new o rings do seem to closer match the diameter of the end of the tube than they do the bottom of the ports.

    Does anyone know where to find original seals or their name, or how the supplied o rings get used? What kind of pressures do these lines see? I would imagine pretty high, and that the OE style seals are designed to stretch/compress or whatever during tightening.

    Last edited by 88Sedan; 06-12-2023, 07:43 PM.

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    Heres a couple more reference photo. The way they are installed they don't even touch the bottom of the port, making me think the pressures may not be that high. But that still leaves me with my questions. Click image for larger version

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      #3
      if there is no direct part number you should be able to source a silicon seal / washer by size. there are a few at a local bolt supply house, and i know you can order them online.

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        #4
        I can't find an example of this type of seal for comparison. Definitely NOT a washer o ring, more like a 'band' with an open ended corner. I can measure dimensions, but I was hoping someone know the proper name or can at least show me an example of a similar type available somewhere.

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          #5
          Originally posted by 88Sedan View Post
          I can't find an example of this type of seal for comparison. Definitely NOT a washer o ring, more like a 'band' with an open ended corner. I can measure dimensions, but I was hoping someone know the proper name or can at least show me an example of a similar type available somewhere.

          unless you get a part number you probably can't source it. the silicone washers are generic, you'd just have to size them the best you can. they are more common in plumbing apps.


          edit : that is more of a bushing than a washer. summit racing has silicon bushings. hps probably does too. even amazon if you check, just a matter of getting the correct size. a correct size washer would probably work just as well.

          more edit : a quick look on real oem shows a number of "gasket rings" and the matching part numbers for the rack. maybe go have a look there and see if you can order the appropriate one.
          Last edited by 82eye; 06-13-2023, 07:44 AM.

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            #6
            I didn't see your post until now, that did help identify the connection as a 7/16"×20 UNF and the bushing material was teflon. It doesn't look like they have a p# just for the bushings, but that's more than I knew so thanks.

            I wish a full parts diagram was available for the internal assembly somewhere, every homemade tutorial I've seen misses some things. I've found the overall disassembly to not be too bad, but theres 2 pieces I didn't properly record the orientation of when they fell out of the rack body, a plastic ring and a seal that sits against it, not shown in any pics/diagrams I can find. I plan on making a tutorial if I figure this whole thing out properly.

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              #7
              So I dug up these photos using the part number for the hard lines from real oem. The oem seals are whitish grey, but it looks like they are placed between the fitting and flare during install. More of a washer shape than I thought they were, since they flatten during install.
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              This presents an issue. Teflon (ptfe) washers usually aren't very flexible, making me think I won't be able to get one over the flare that is such a tight fit as the picture shows. Looks like they're installed on the tubing before the flare is made. I suppose I will try though.

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