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  • mcaden
    Advanced Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 164

    #1

    Front Turn Signal

    I have been tracking down a brake light indicator on a 1987 E30 vert I recently purchased. I have cleaned all socket connections and have correct bulbs in place. After checking everything, I am left with a fast blinkie in my front passenger side turn signal. Again, I added a proper, fresh bulb and cleaned out the socket. However, upon wiggling the connection in the back, it is affecting the brightness and the rear connection appears to be the weak link. I unplugged the rear connection and used wire connector/cleaner spray on each end. I also unplugged the bulb and pulled the prongs out a little.

    I am still getting a fast blinkie. Is there anything else I can do to improve the connection at the rear of the housing (which upon wiggling still affects the connection)? I know this is a common problem upon my searching, but I didn't see the solution to improving the connection. I also tried to track down the ground for the passenger side front turn signal ground, but didn't see it on the passenger side fender. I thought it made sense to clean it up. Where is it located? As an aside, I do plan to replace the brake check switch behind the brake pedal... but I don't think that is the problem.

    Much thanks for your assistance.

    -Marc
  • Cabriolet
    R3V OG
    • Apr 2010
    • 9620

    #2
    im having the exact same issue on my 1990 M. subscribing
    Much wow
    I hate 4 doors

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    • mrcheezle19
      E30 Fanatic
      • Apr 2012
      • 1451

      #3
      I too am having the same issue, subscribed as well lol


      Originally posted by blunttech
      Dude this is r3v. 20 bucks gets you a used timing belt or a low mileage head gasket

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      • Rsully70sev
        R3VLimited
        • Sep 2010
        • 2391

        #4
        Same issue here. One side faps rapidly, the other has a normal speed.

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        • agent
          Vice Grand Pubaa
          • Mar 2010
          • 7960

          #5
          I had a fast blinking right-hand signal after putting my car back together post-paint. The problem stayed with that same side when swapping bulbs so I was able to rule them out as potential culprits (even though they were both new). All I did was disconnect the plug (again) from the back of the front turn signal housing and plug it back in a couple of times, and it's been working correctly since.

          A friend suggested to me that the grounds sometimes need to be redone for the front signals since they all have ~25 years of weather on them. If my issue recurs that's where I'm starting.
          Originally posted by kronus
          would be in depending on tip slant and tube size

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          • jlevie
            R3V OG
            • Nov 2006
            • 13530

            #6
            A fast blink indicates that there is a higher than normal resistance in that turn signal circuit. It could be in a connector, bulb socket, ground, or wiring. Resistance checks with an ohmmeter should help locate the problem.
            The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
            Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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            • jeffnhiscars
              R3V OG
              • Jun 2011
              • 6010

              #7
              When a bulb goes out it blinks fast which would seem to be less resistance. No ?
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              • oldmann
                Wrencher
                • Oct 2011
                • 265

                #8
                Less resistance, fast flash, Run a ground to the turn signal socket, should tell you if thats the issue.

                Or meter the ground from one side to the other, compare #s, not easy to find the ground fault, but CKing for a good ground is.

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                • jlevie
                  R3V OG
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 13530

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jeffnhiscars
                  When a bulb goes out it blinks fast which would seem to be less resistance. No ?
                  When a bulb burns out the resistance in the circuit goes to infinity (an open circuit).
                  Last edited by jlevie; 11-02-2012, 08:41 AM.
                  The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                  Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                  • fronton
                    E30 Fanatic
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 1262

                    #10
                    I had this problem. One of the three prongs on the backside of the housing was busted down to a nip. Replace the housing.

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                    • mcaden
                      Advanced Member
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 164

                      #11
                      Thanks for the replies -- at least initially I thought it would make sense for me to clean up the grounding nut for the passenger side front turn signal. Does anyone know where it is located.

                      I will also look at the backside of the light housing more closely - as someone suggested. I actually think this may be the problem since simply wiggling the connection wire makes the light flicker erratically.

                      If all else continues to fail, I have a multimeter, so I can check for resistance in ohms. I appreciate your responses to my initial question and the follow-up questions.

                      -Marc

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                      • tim88325is
                        Wrencher
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 201

                        #12
                        I had the same problem that would randomly come and go. I would bend the tabs in the housing for better contact, checked the wiring for nicks or problems, etc but it would eventually come back. I could make the fast blinking stop by reaching under and pushing on the back of the housing and connector but couldn't consistently fix it otherwise.

                        I ended just getting a new housing and the fast blinking went away 100%. Cost $30 or whatever but it was nice to have the turns signals work all the time.

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                        • jeffnhiscars
                          R3V OG
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 6010

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jlevie
                          When a bulb burns out the resistance in the circuit goes to infinity (an open circuit).
                          Now I'll disagree. :)

                          Turn signals are wired in series so the flasher responds to the load from both bulbs to work properly. A fast flash means one bulb is out or a bad ground at the bulb socket 99% of the time...which is less resistance.
                          Seat Shocks....I have passed the baton to John Christy from Ninestitch. Email John or Garrett at ninestitch1@gmail.com

                          https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...86#post4944786
                          Alice the Time Capsule
                          http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=360504
                          87 Zinno Cabrio barn find 98k and still smells like a barn. Build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...20#post3455220

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                          • jlevie
                            R3V OG
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 13530

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jeffnhiscars
                            Now I'll disagree. :)

                            Turn signals are wired in series so the flasher responds to the load from both bulbs to work properly. A fast flash means one bulb is out or a bad ground at the bulb socket 99% of the time...which is less resistance.
                            Turn signals bulbs are wired in parallel. When a bulb burns out, has a bad ground, connector/socket problem, etc., The resistance of that part of the circuit increases. That results in less current flow and a fast flash.
                            The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                            Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                            • mcaden
                              Advanced Member
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 164

                              #15
                              I took another stab at resolving it today. I did the following:

                              1. Replaced brake light check behind brake pedal
                              2. Found the grounding nut on the driver's side fender by the headlight. It was a mess... thoroughly cleaned up everything.
                              3. Replaced turn signal fuse.
                              4. Tried to improve connection at turn signal housing

                              End result = fast blinkie. :(

                              I am pretty sure the problem is the connection at the turn signal housing and a replacement will fix the problem.

                              -Marc

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