5 lug vs 4 lug

[MR 325]

I honestly have no idea on the cost of my stuff, I don't want to know a total price on this car! :)

[Wh33lhop]

I guess it depends on if you use E36 stuff or not

I'd be stuck using E30 M3 stuff - or E87 rear hubs. $$$. and I'd still need custom brakes, so a 4-lug BBK makes more sense.

the massive kits aren't that expensive, that's probably what I'll end up with next year.

Yeah, but if you use the good stuff--M3 fronts and M coupe rears, I figured it'd be a bit more expensive. Still thought E30M stuff typically cost around $1500-2k and E36 fronts and ti rears totalled out to about $800-1k, but I could be way off there.

I'd tend to agree, the Massive kits are pretty reasonably priced. Not like Wilwoods are the Ferrari of brakes but they are VERY cost effective (as opposed to say a pair of ST40s..).

[nando]

Well, what did you pay? I'd find that hard to believe with the prices I've seen for a few 5 lug conversions, but maybe I've only seen E30 M3 stuff.

I guess it depends on if you use E36 stuff or not

I'd be stuck using E30 M3 stuff - or E87 rear hubs. $$$. and I'd still need custom brakes, so a 4-lug BBK makes more sense.

the massive kits aren't that expensive, that's probably what I'll end up with next year.

[erik325i]

erik, give us some info what you did to your car? i know its s50b32'd (nothing special), what about brakes?

I'm running Brembo 4-piston front calipers with 330mm rotors. In the rears, I'm currently running stock M3 calipers, but I'm planning on installing some Brembo 2-pistons when I have time.
I am using the dual master cylinders from Mike B. Once I do the rear Brembos, I'll probably end up going with a Tilton pedal box.

Erik

[Wh33lhop]

I'm sure my entire 5 lug swap was cheaper than say a Massive kit for the front only.

Well, what did you pay? I'd find that hard to believe with the prices I've seen for a few 5 lug conversions, but maybe I've only seen E30 M3 stuff.

[MR 325]

I'm not including my wheels of course since I would have bought wheels regardless. :)

[Aptyp]

I'm sure my entire 5 lug swap was cheaper than say a Massive kit for the front only.

ding ding ding ding.... My front and rear and a lot of extras were still cheaper. I would challenge any one with a BBK to a stopping contest. I'd actually like to see the difference.

[MR 325]

there's no reason to do 5 lug just for the brakes. you can get bigger brakes cheaper for 4 lug anyway.

I'm sure my entire 5 lug swap was cheaper than say a Massive kit for the front only.

[etxxz]

^^ a bias valve on the front line, pre-abs pump. look right next to the radiator resevoir ; /

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i'll fab the line that replaces the limiter valve when i do my front brake lines.. they look dry. I just hope i can find the same brake "tune" without having to move the bias valve to the rear line :???:

erik, give us some info what you did to your car? i know its s50b32'd (nothing special), what about brakes?

[erik325i]

the stock brakes will surely brake just as hard...they won't last nearly as long at the track. i have e36M/318ti on track pads, slotted rotors and racing fluid. I have yet to experince brake fade, even at sebring which IMO is brutal on brakes... and i'm rocking an s52 (25mm booster/MC)

my comment was more regarding the impact of rear brakes on our cars. I've heard e30'ers at the track say they use chap pads on the rear because they do all the braking with the front. i've biased a lot of braking power away from the front and into into the rear because i feel the e36M fronts overpower the hell out of the 318ti (f.piston vs r.piston wise) I still have the stock limiter valve for the rear line though.

How did you transfer more of the braking power to the rear brakes and still keep the stock limiter valve on the rear brakes?

[nando]

there's no reason to do 5 lug just for the brakes. you can get bigger brakes cheaper for 4 lug anyway.

the stock brakes can brake hard as other people have said, but they just do not last as long. the rotors are small, and thin. I got about 2.5 track days out of mine with HT10s before they started losing their power, which isn't bad, but my car isn't especially fast nor am I an expert driver. it also trashed the rotors, and partially melted my front outter CV boots.

[Aptyp]

^
u don't have ABS?

[etxxz]

the stock brakes will surely brake just as hard...they won't last nearly as long at the track. i have e36M/318ti on track pads, slotted rotors and racing fluid. I have yet to experince brake fade, even at sebring which IMO is brutal on brakes... and i'm rocking an s52 (25mm booster/MC)

my comment was more regarding the impact of rear brakes on our cars. I've heard e30'ers at the track say they use chap pads on the rear because they do all the braking with the front. i've biased a lot of braking power away from the front and into into the rear because i feel the e36M fronts overpower the hell out of the 318ti (f.piston vs r.piston wise) I still have the stock limiter valve for the rear line though.

[MR 325]

To those who are saying they don't need bigger brakes... I encourage you to take a ride in my E30 with E36 M3 front and M Coupe rear and tell me how the brakes work. ;)

[Aptyp]

it's a 14mm in diameter bigger surface difference and rear pads are about 10% larger in contact surface. That's that.


I don't know how to tell people this: but with e36 m3 fronts and z3 rears, my seatbelts knock the air out of my passengers when I surprise them... they are MUCH better brakes than e30 m3. They are also better than Korman +2 BBK, which uses corvette calipers. I am yet to track them, but this 5-lug setup is amazing. (I also have 25mm master cylinder and SS brake lines, if that's not cheating).