My latest suspension mod....

[gstuning]

This thread is getting really lame really fast.

;)

Com´on they are talking about some dude who doesn´t live in America who might sell his fabriated product in a country where there is no law preventing him in doing so,,

It sucks to be the first to invent stuff

[trent]

It sucks to be the first to invent stuff

So true. :(

[boom-monkey]

Re: Copycat

It IS an exact copy.

fabianyee will need to be careful selling these in the US as I WILL PURSUE Patent Infringement to the fullest if I need to. I invented the part. It's mine. Your's is a copy.

Jon

Yet trent and Bryson clearly have investigated and found the THR CABs to give MORE caster than the e30 m3 geometery.

Can someone from Treehouse Racing please explain what the hell is going on? Are you guys selling a part that is not the correct geometry and saying it is, or do you belive it is and the part is being made incorrectly?

[65Matt]

Well, I think it's shitty to copy an innovative product like the THR bushing. Even if you could save a couple bucks, it's not worth the risk IMO. THR's bushings are race tested and thoroughly engineered.

Who knows what type of cheap foreign steel Fabio's bushings are made out of. Where is his credibility? These are things to think about when you're going 100+ MPH down the back stretch...

[Charlie]

Well, I think it's shitty to copy an innovative product like the THR bushing. Even if you could save a couple bucks, it's not worth the risk IMO. THR's bushings are race tested and thoroughly engineered.

Who knows what type of cheap foreign steel Fabio's bushings are made out of. Where is his credibility? These are things to think about when you're going 100+ MPH down the back stretch...

Yep.

This is the guy that put zip ties on his brake lines as some sort of performance mod.

That would make me somewhat weary in purchasing a knockoff product from the guy.

-Charlie

[rwh11385]

Re: Copycat

It IS an exact copy.

fabianyee will need to be careful selling these in the US as I WILL PURSUE Patent Infringement to the fullest if I need to. I invented the part. It's mine. Your's is a copy.

Jon

STFU TJ. I'd be pissed if I were Jon. That's shady and just fucked up. Even moreso the members of R3V interested in them. Some nutbag in Asia making suspension parts with no racing experience versus a shop that does race and is very kind to the E30 community. Who would you choose? I guess to save a couple bucks the whack cheap Asian counterfit, this is an E30 board after all.

I'm with Charles and 65Matt on this one. I trust the product that comes from THR, and not the guy in Asia jacking the idea. (Whether or not it's a copy doesn't matter, the idea is the same.....the concept of eyeball arm and making it much smaller like that. Even if a few things are changed, the concept is still stolen)

And about the caster......don't go jumping on any bandwagons of misinformation yet. Trent and Bryson respectfully pointed out concerns and Rob rebutted, and the jury is still out in my book as far as whether or not there is more caster than E30 M3 geometry.

[Bryson]

I don't like the fact that everyone is claiming that he stole the idea/concept. It's not like it took a rocket scientist to think of it.. Anybody could logically come up with that idea and pursue it themselves, and chances are that there's somebody in the world who did it a long time ago.

There are many of you out here on the internet that neglect to realize that most shops and car modifiers weren't/aren't on the internet and probably much of the valuable information out there is nowhere on the internet.

I'd also like to point out that he didn't develop the product in order to sell it to the general public, rather as a personal option..

[65Matt]

Well, theres a possibility that he didn't copy it, BUT it seems a little odd that no one has seen these things in the 20 year history of the E30. THR introduces theirs to the E30 community and 6 months later this guy shows up with the exact_same_thing.

I also find it amusing that he claims that his is much much different because his poly sleeve is a few mm's different. Hmmm, now how could he have gotten those measurements?

edit: And he said he was considering selling them.

[fabianyee]

So much commotion in this....

I do admit that I gotten the idea from THR lollipop. and at the same time, my bushes need changing and that I know someone who can fabricate this for me. So instead of asking WHY, I chose to ask WHY NOT.....

And to be fair to my guy, I can't just make 1 set.... That doesn't justify the cost. So I made a few set.

And I did say I need to time test it b4 I decide to sell it. But so far, I have no complaints on the lollipop. especially with the 'hole-y' roads that we have here compared to the smooth tarmac of the far west. Well, actually i do have a complaint - ride is harsher now compared to the stock rubber bush....

FYI, The bushes are actually 'secured' on both ends, so it would not slip off even under harsh driving condition. Not to say that the THR bush would come off.

Anyway, this is not the first part I got fabricated for personal usage.

I got my Adjustable Camber Plates made by the same guy as well. Got them installed since Mid July 2004. No problem whatsoever except for harsher ride.. ;)


and this short shifter adapter kits.


As for the zip tie thingy, hahaha... Aren't you guys bored of bringing that up over and over again. That is out of curiousity on how it'll affect braking... It works, and I just kept them there... I believe in 'Never try, never know'. But of cos, there is a limit to it... Just that that day hasn't come.....

BTW, I serviced my front brake calipers back in Oct 2004. Since then, the brakes were much better and evenly distributed..... AND there's significantly less brake dust.... someone teased about the zip ties being the culprit... :roll: but nvm. I supposed he was on a different wavelenght to start wif...

[65Matt]

I can see your interest in making your own parts - you are a pretty resourceful guy. However, you gotta give the guys at THR some credit for creating the part and everything they've done for the E30 community, too. They even did a group buy a while back!

I think you could benefit by designing and testing some original parts of your own. You clearly have some talent there that could be put to good use.

[bimmer8604]

You would be surprised at how many race shops and other individuals have their own little products they produce for themselves and a few others, but never advertise or try to reach a community like on r3v. My shop owner makes his own Alfa Romeo short shift kits for HIS cars, while other companies sell the kits for over 1,000 bucks, and I'm sure if he went onto some Alfa board with his idea, he would get flamed just like this guy.

I did the same thing a while back when I made my intake mounting brakets. Hell for 20 bucks its a lot cheaper than paying out of the ass for one from KN or BavAuto, and nobody here got pissed cause some other company was selling "the same thing".

I give you credit for going out and manufacturing your own parts, and wanting to help the community. Yes, you should have probably mentioned from the beginning you got your idea from the THR product, but otherwise do what you want to do.

Kyle

[rwh11385]

Let's say some shop spends time and money researching and producing a new brake caliper that's really neato. What if someone in Asia makes his own version of it and offers to sell it to our members? How many of our cheap-ass members would buy that if they could save $7? Trusting their safety and stopping ability to just some guy, rather than a race shop with experience........


There's a right way.......then there is the R3V way......

[bimmer8604]

Let's say some shop spends time and money researching and producing a new brake caliper that's really neato. What if someone in Asia makes his own version of it and offers to sell it to our members? How many of our cheap-ass members would buy that if they could save $7? Trusting their safety and stopping ability to just some guy, rather than a race shop with experience........


There's a right way.......then there is the R3V way......

Well if he said he got his measuerments from the m3 bushings, and the THR product, then i wouldnt see a safety issue, and if a race shop that manufactures similar parts made these, i think it would be fine. I'm not trying to get in a heated argument or debate, I see where you are coming from and can see your reasons for concern. I was just trying to make a point that I think this guy shouldnt be hounded and beat down on for making these. I guess the problem is in the fact that "he might be selling them". It probably would have been better if he just said he made them for himself.

I think this thread has been beatin enough... :|

Kyle

[Digitalwave]

Let's say some shop spends time and money researching and producing a new brake caliper that's really neato. What if someone in Asia makes his own version of it and offers to sell it to our members? How many of our cheap-ass members would buy that if they could save $7? Trusting their safety and stopping ability to just some guy, rather than a race shop with experience........


There's a right way.......then there is the R3V way......

Welcome to the free market system.

[gstuning]

Let's say some shop spends time and money researching and producing a new brake caliper that's really neato. What if someone in Asia makes his own version of it and offers to sell it to our members? How many of our cheap-ass members would buy that if they could save $7? Trusting their safety and stopping ability to just some guy, rather than a race shop with experience........


There's a right way.......then there is the R3V way......

Welcome to the free market system.

So true,

Why shop konis at some place you know to be good if you can save 20% on a place your friend said was good and has experience with

If the asian brake caliper is equal in quality then why shouldn´t you buy it?
only a little research will tell you if said brake caliper should be alright,