Turner Brake Package

[BeirBrennerE30]

i give up... buy whatever lines you want

[arsevader]

i give up... buy whatever lines you want

Must not be a true R3V member. ;) If you had been, this thread would have gone on for at least 2 weeks.

[Old'n'Slow]

your tires cant stop the car if there is nothing to turn their rolling energy into heat... the bigger your brakes the better heat dissipation... big breaks are not overrated as breaking is one of... if not the most vital operation your car does as far as safety is concerned... braking is also where races are won and lost on the track... you should be upgrading your brakes long before you look at power mods... for optimum braking you should be using SS lines... and you should change these lines as well as your rotors, pads and fluid as necessary... at this time you should also check to see if your calipers are functioning properly...

Brakes are wearable items and should be replaced as needed... if you want your car to stop the best it can(as the original poster was looking for by reading his post) you should get ss lines... they arent going to decrease your stopping distance by 100' but they are an inexpensive upgrade...

Didn't I say track cars have different needs than street driven ones?

The point of my post was, to recap, that for street driven cars, most common brake upgrades are overrated. That monster BBK and SS lines will probably not help a street car with all season tires. BMW's braking has always been a strength. For street use, even bone stock really is fine.

And lastly, SS lines are to be considered a high-performance item, and regularly inspected for wear. Let's do some new rubber line to old rubber line testing before we send everyone out for SS lines...

Oh and, I can't resist...the word is brake. :p

[arsevader]

Oh and, I can't resist...the word is brake. :p

brake if you want to stop.
break if you don't

[IS]

Oh yes, I love this. This is another one of those "swepco miracles." "I put swepco in my tranny and it is shifting 100x better, swepco must be the best stuff on Earth." Of course, this person doesn't realize that the fluid he has in there has 150k on it and should have been replaced ages ago...

Beir, I'm not trying to get on your case but you seem to think of yourself as the pinnacle of automotive knowledge. I'm not saying I am (since the majority of r3v members aren't), but some of the stuff you say is purely your own personal logic. I do it myself sometimes, too - it's ok. State your opinion and move on - don't try to prove something if you don't KNOW it for a fact.

[BeirBrennerE30]

Oh yes, I love this. This is another one of those "swepco miracles." "I put swepco in my tranny and it is shifting 100x better, swepco must be the best stuff on Earth." Of course, this person doesn't realize that the fluid he has in there has 150k on it and should have been replaced ages ago...

Beir, I'm not trying to get on your case but you seem to think of yourself as the pinnacle of automotive knowledge. I'm not saying I am (since the majority of r3v members aren't), but some of the stuff you say is purely your own personal logic. I do it myself sometimes, too - it's ok. State your opinion and move on - don't try to prove something if you don't KNOW it for a fact.

Damn i thought i caught all my BREAKS... but i missed one... i cant type

when you have a MASTERS degree in AUTOMOTIVE engineering you tend to think you know i thing or two about cars...

its not an opinion that SSlines are an upgrade over NEW stock lines and that a 25mm master cylinder is an upgrade from stock... these are facts... but as any upgrade on any car... you probably should check to make sure that everything is hunkydory every once and a while... thats just common sense... this added checking and maintenance isnt for everyone and if you dont want to do it then by all means get rubber lines and be done with them... but if you want the best braking your car can have you have to get sslines

[BeirBrennerE30]

I also am tired of people spreading missinformation over the internet... but i refuse to get into an arguement over the internet with people i have never met... believe whatever you want i cant change your opinion

[Erisa_1974]

Damn i thought i caught all my BREAKS... but i missed one... i cant type

when you have a MASTERS degree in AUTOMOTIVE engineering you tend to think you know i thing or two about cars...

its not an opinion that SSlines are an upgrade over NEW stock lines and that a 25mm master cylinder is an upgrade from stock... these are facts...

wow! a degree gives you infinite knowledge about e30s? impressive

you ever install a 25 MC on an otherwise stock brake system e30? or you just running on assumptions and spreading misinformation??

the pedal will be stiffer.... some believe too stiff, and may very well hurt braking distance.

[arsevader]

I also am tired of people spreading missinformation over the internet...

[BeirBrennerE30]

wow! a degree gives you infinite knowledge about e30s? impressive

you ever install a 25 MC on an otherwise stock brake system e30? or you just running on assumptions and spreading misinformation??

the pedal will be stiffer.... some believe too stiff, and may very well hurt braking distance.

i have installed an 25mm mc on my car... i have porsche brakes on it now... it was not too stiff before(it never really can be) and is not too stiff now... this is not missinformation... this is how hydrolic systems work... this is how brakes work... if you dont believe me go pick up a book on the subject and start reading... i can give you a reading list if you would like

a degree doesnt give anyone infinite knowledge about anything but i feel that i am quite capable to analyze a brake system.. i am still learning and so is everyone else, or atleast you should be... and i do make mistakes and i have been wrong many many times in my life but this is not one of them... if you like my explaination of how brakes work... good... if not thats fine too... im just trying to help people better understand their cars... ive been through it all before and i have more stuff changed on my e30 than 98% of everyone else here and im trying to prevent people from making the same mistakes i did while building my car...

its too bad that the people who have the most knowledge about the car that this forum is dedicated to are the ones that are driven away(i am not talking about me... more like jordan and several others)... thats fine... I am done with this thred and i am done with R3v

[arsevader]

... thats fine... I am done with this thred and i am done with R3v

Don't get your e-panties in a knot. Just agree to disagree. I don't think you are right but heh that's my opinion.

Move on.

[IS]

when you have a MASTERS degree in AUTOMOTIVE engineering you tend to think you know i thing or two about cars...

Sorry, I only listen to PhDs.

[Old'n'Slow]

its too bad that the people who have the most knowledge about the car that this forum is dedicated to are the ones that are driven away(i am not talking about me... more like jordan and several others)... thats fine... I am done with this thred and i am done with R3v

Their attitude of "I am right, everyone else can get fucked" is maybe why....

Can we admit that there's an awful lot of hype surrounding ideas regarding the tangible benefits of some aftermarket parts? Even Goodridge carefully states their SS lines can "potentially help shorten stopping distances"(From Goodridge.) I have them on my car. I like the way they look, but I do not labor under the misapprehension that they will make my car stop shorter...

Can we admit that race car parts aren't really all that necessary for street cars?

Can we acknowledge that there are a lot of "tuner" cars around that rarely get driven in a manner so as to need massive brakes?

I never said BBKs are stupid or don't work. But my car with upgraded stock-sized brakes has been to three BMW driving schools, and guess what? They work fine! No fade, short stops, good feel... these are BMWs not Hondas. The brakes won't melt after a few hard stops. Besides, with ABS, tire compound, not brake composition is the limiting factor of how many Gs of decelleration you can produce. Once a tire slides, that's it. The sytem will dance on the edge of lockup. The right tires will delay the onset of lockup while providing a margin of safety should you also need to steer. In the end, with ABS, the biggest, baddest BBK on the planet will not help you stop shorter. Unless, of course, you are doing one full ABS panic stop after another, in which case you may want to reassess what you are doing with a driver's license! :p

Yes, it's different on a track car without ABS! See, I agree with you there. On the track, on sticky tires, without ABS, the bigger(to a point-cold brakes are worse than hot brakes) AND LIGHTER, the better!

Cheers.

[Ender.]

Well staying on topic I orded the TMS brake package and it should be here tommorow and *GASP* I got it with SS lines! I dont track the car or race and I probably would be fine with new rubber lines, but I look for any excuse to upgrade any part so hey, why not?

[arsevader]

but I look for any excuse to upgrade any part so hey, why not?

You obviously missed the point of the discussion...