how are h&r race's on the street?

[nickmp0wer]

are they too stiff for the street? will they work with blistens?

[///M Powered]

I'd like to know as well, how do they compare to IE stage 3's?

[MattE30]

I'd like to know as well, how do they compare to IE stage 3's?

Same thing but spun by eibach. Many people do use them with Bilstein sports though you would probably be happier with konis.

[Jon325i]

I'd like to know as well, how do they compare to IE stage 3's?

Same thing but spun by eibach. Many people do use them with Bilstein sports though you would probably be happier with konis.

True. The Bilstein Sports are better matched with H&R Sport springs. Also, the H&R Race springs offer a pretty aggressive drop.....so watch the pavement! I've holed an M20 oilpan running with H&R Sports and Tokico Illuminas.

Jon

[trent]

H&R Race are pretty waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles on the street. The Bilsteins will work fine, but optimally I would have them revalved. I wouldn't use Koni unless you like having to warranty blown shocks a lot.

[Old'n'Slow]

H&R Race are pretty waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles on the street.

Yeah, only having about and inch of suspension travel IS waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles. So is having to drive around raised manhole covers!

That's why serious track guys use coilovers. They're tunable.

For you, Trent, how 'bout some balsa wood blocks instead of springs and shocks? :shock: You could reduce unsprung weight AND get that "no-suspension-at-all" feeling you seem to be looking for! :P

I ain't rippin' on ya... :P

I've seen guys at tracks tune out all the roll and travel, and those are the guys that look like they're driving on greased tires. Some tracks can take less travel, some need more. Tune for the track you're on.

I agree with revalved Bilsteins for track. Konis are perfect for street because of the easy tunability, especially if your car does double duty. I don't have to listen to my wife complain about ride quality on long trips, but when I'm alone, I can tighten it right up!

[Charlie]

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That's why serious track guys use coilovers. They're tunable.

That's why serious track guys buy another car for a daily driver :twisted:

-Charlie
eventually going to cough up the ridiculous 400 bucks for H&R race springs to complete the spec e30 conversion

[AdamF 88iS]

H&R race sucks. the IE stage 3 springs are an exact copy of these. The rears will coil bind like hell.

[Old'n'Slow]

H&R race sucks. the IE stage 3 springs are an exact copy of these. The rears will coil bind like hell.

That's why I'm not crazy about H&R springs. Even my OE sports had coil bind issues with the so-called "dead coils".

Charlie's right.

E30s are so cheap these days, you could have one for every day of the week for less than a new loaded 330i. Saw one for $47K the other day! :shock:

[bimmerlover]

Re: how are h&r race's on the street?

are they too stiff for the street? will they work with blistens?

Yes, and yes. My experience with that combination has been in an E28...
They are way harsh for the street IMO. Absolutely amazing handling.
I didn't expect them to be so drastically different form my H&R sports, but they are.

[egk2]

What's the drop for H&R race vs. IE stage 3's?

[bimmerlover]

What's the drop for H&R race vs. IE stage 3's?

I believe it's exactly the same.

[Jon325i]

What about the J Stock springs that Turner sells? Below is a cut-n-paste from their website....

Our springs are a progressive-rate spring with a range from 200 lb/inch up to 900 lb/inch. There is also a large ratio of rear to front stiffness which will help eliminate understeer. These springs will lower a stock M3 by about 1.50" front and 1.25" rear but they work on any E30. Although you can buy these springs as only a set, we strongly recommend installing in conjunction with our modified Bilstein shocks at the same time.

The drop these springs offer isn't quite as aggressive as H&R Race and several rates available to get a set up that works best for you. Turner's asking price for the J-Stock springs is $350. They offer revalved Bilstein Sports ($600+) to work with these springs but I'm sure Konis would be a good match up with them as well.

Anyone here have experience with the J-Stocks?

Jon

P.S. Sorry for the hijack :nice:

[///M Powered]

Description : IE E30 Stage 3 Race Springs

Ride height is streetable with some care from the driver. Ride height is reduced 2" front and 1.5" rear from stock.


Haha.

[trent]

For you, Trent, how 'bout some balsa wood blocks instead of springs and shocks? :shock: You could reduce unsprung weight AND get that "no-suspension-at-all" feeling you seem to be looking for! :P

I am not sure what you mean by this?? ( I know u ain't ripping, but it don't make sense). Even though my suspension will be entirely solid mounted, I am running not that high of spring rates. #375 in front, and ~#300-375 in the rear (still have some experimenting to do).

I am actually one of the people that realizes high spring rates are not what is needed to handle well.

The reason I bash on H&R Race (had them for a few years) is due to the progressive design and massive coil bind I was receiving. I really didn't have much a problem with the rates -- which is why when i went with coilovers I am not much heigher rate than those.