Camaro Shocks

[einstein57]

If your going to use a bilstein then get an ix hd inserts. They will fit with less work and are valved for the e30. The purpose of the KYB is a cheaper alternative to the Koni adjustable or a cheaper alternative to the ix inserts.

[S13_E30]

I received the inserts (brass bearings) and popped them in. The are not as long as i'd like but they work ok when you torque them down. The quality of the bearing is crap. It is a cast piece with a fairly rough surface. I installed the shocks with some brand new IE RSMs using the supplied hardware that came with the KYBs. As you can see they are nearly 2" shorter in then the Bilsteins and most of that is in the body and not the shaft. With my car tucking tire on 15" wheels on a high arch car i still have a little more then 2" of travel left which should make these next to impossible to bottom out.

These were on your coilovers correct?

Do you have any pics of the front?

[TG Goose]

so thats an alternator bearing you used?

Its a sealed bearing. It might be an alternator bearing or could be a race cars clutch pilot bearing. Doesnt matter, it fits the strut mounts and allows you to use the KYB MR2 strut inserts.

[einstein57]

Its a sealed bearing. It might be an alternator bearing or could be a race cars clutch pilot bearing. Doesnt matter, it fits the strut mounts and allows you to use the KYB MR2 strut inserts.

Alternator supports maybe 10lbs. Strut bearing supports several thousand pounds of force when you hit a pot hole. I'd check with the manufactures specs on those. It would suck to have your strut push through your bearing at 80mph because it was designed for a 100lb max load.

[einstein57]

Anyone know what the factory one is rated?

6302-2RS Sealed Ball Bearing, the 6302-2RS inner diameter is 15mm, 6302-2RS outer diameter is 42mm and the 6302-2RS width is 13mm, 6302-2RS Bearing is made of Chrome Steel, 6302-2RS bearing has 2 Rubber Seals to protect the bearing from dust or any possible contamination, 6302-2RS bearing is pre-lubricated with grease.

Item: 6302-2RS Ball Bearing
Type: Deep Groove Ball Bearing
Material: Chrome Steel
Closures: Rubber Seals
Lubrication: Self Lubricated (Grease)
Dimensions: 15mm x 42mm x 13mm/Metric
ID (inner diameter)/Bore: 15mm
OD (outer diameter): 42mm
Width/Height/thickness: 13mm
Size: 15 x 42 x 13 mm
Dynamic load rating Cr: 11,400 N (Axial or Radial?)
Static load rating Cor: 5,400 N
Limiting Speed:
Grease Lubrication: 13,000 RPM



These are axial and radial load rated.

http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Kit7430

Set of 2 Single Row Angular Contact Spindle Ball Bearings 7302B, this is a popular size that could be used in many applications that needs Cobined loads (Axial and Radial), Axial loads can be taken on one direction only, bearings are made of Chrome Steel.

Item: 7302B Ball Bearings
Type: Single Row Angular Contact Ball Bearings(Spindle Ball Bearings)
Dimensions: 15mm x 42mm x 13mm/Metric
inner diameter: 15mm
outer diameter: 42mm
Width: 13mm
Size: 15 x 42 x 13 mm
Quantity: Two Bearings
Dynamic load rating Cr: 12,800 N
Static load rating Cor: 6,750 N
Limiting Speed:
Grease Lubrication: 14,000 RPM

[ohthejosh]

^I got lost somewhere in the thread, and just to be clear the above imformation about bearings is for the mr2 inserts correct?

and the piece nigel bought from mcmasters is just a slip on piece for the camaro rears?

[ScHpAnKy]

what are you folks doing for a spacer for the kyb agx front struts?
I don't have anybody near me (including lowes, home depot, etc) that sell pipe stock or spacers, so I have to order online.

I asked einstein by email, but he never got back to me with these measurements you need to find out what spacer to run:
- inner strut diameter
- length of spacer needed
- diameter of agx strut
- diameter of the little nub on the bottom of the agx strut

[einstein57]

I would just cut off the bottoms of your old factory inserts and use them as spacers.

Took a gander and some measurements of the MR2 rears. All and all these definitely feel stiffer in both compression and rebound then the Bilstein IX HDs although i feel its an unfare comparison since the are pretty damn beat. The MR2 gland nuts have the same thread pitch as the Bilsteins but the are a couple thousandths of a inch smaller. The Bilstein measured in at 1.8815" and the MR2 was 1.8795". I don't think its enough to make a difference but i'm going to wrap it in teflon tape just to be on the side of caution. The strut body was also a bit narrower as the Bilstein measured in at 45.35mm and the KYB was 43.65mm. The gland nut centers it so I don't believe it will be a problem. I plan on making a sleeve for the bottom to center it as well. I'm sure its overkill because the g60 inserts are narrower as well and people just wrap them in hockey tape. Another interesting comparison is even though KYB is an inch longer then the Bilstein they are the same length when they are compressed. This is great for people who don't want to be slammed but want a thrifty alternative to Koni sports.

[graphikg]

So in total, what is needed to run the MR2 Rears in the front?

I am guessing these bearings

Anyone know what the factory one is rated?

These are axial and radial load rated.

http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Kit7430

Set of 2 Single Row Angular Contact Spindle Ball Bearings 7302B, this is a popular size that could be used in many applications that needs Cobined loads (Axial and Radial), Axial loads can be taken on one direction only, bearings are made of Chrome Steel.

Item: 7302B Ball Bearings
Type: Single Row Angular Contact Ball Bearings(Spindle Ball Bearings)
Dimensions: 15mm x 42mm x 13mm/Metric
inner diameter: 15mm
outer diameter: 42mm
Width: 13mm
Size: 15 x 42 x 13 mm
Quantity: Two Bearings
Dynamic load rating Cr: 12,800 N
Static load rating Cor: 6,750 N
Limiting Speed:
Grease Lubrication: 14,000 RPM

And what do you need a spacer for on the KYBs? They look to be longer if anything than the Bilsteins.

[einstein57]

Those are ix hd bilsteins.

[e30F]

would anyone have the lengths of the e30 rear shock vs camaro?

thanks

[graphikg]

Geees! I got the camaro shock in the other day and didnt get the AGX; I just got the Gas-a-just OEM type chock and MAN! They are stiff! Much stiffer than the front bilstein IX shocks I compared them to. And using a home depot brass fitting sized 3/8 wide by 1.5 inches was perfect to fit in the bushing to install on the t-arm.

[dsm2002]

would anyone have the lengths of the e30 rear shock vs camaro?

thanks

Camaro Bilsteins HD

• Collapsed Length: 11.81 in / 300 mm
• Extended Length: 18.9 in / 480 mm

BMW Bilsteins Sports

• Collapsed Length: 13.15 in / 334 mm
• Extended Length: 21 in / 533.5 mm

[Plan:B]

Thank you to all that made this happen.


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[wakdog]

Thanks so much for this thread making me want to get new rear shocks :)

Went to the BMW specialist that has done a bit of work on my fathers and my racecars, told him that i wanted to get some camaro rears.... he walks over to a box and hands me:



Advance Design 2 way adjustable rear shocks (from a GC setup) Rebuilt 3/3/2011 and not used since...

Said he also has the fronts in the workshop somewhere (also rebuilt 3/3/2011) and that I can have them when he finds them.

best part? they were free :) :) :) :)