do these h&r race really lower the car 3"

[errol]

i know i am new here, but i've been reading day and night about e30 suspensions and trying to figure out for myself what is the lowest spring i can buy, before getting into coilovers...

i sent this company an ebay email with a link to a thread i found in here saying that these springs only lower the car like 1.6", and the dude blocked me as a potential buyer when i was only asking an educated question..
here's the ebay link.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=250112595707


and here is my email to him..

you're advertising a drop of 2.5-3" which seems to be inaccurate. i can't find that listed anywhere else on the web except for your auctions. here is a link to a bmw website with those same springs for sale, except the drop is advertised as

"M3 / 1988-1992 / Race Spring / 1.6 / 1.5 / 50404-88 / 469 "

here is the link to that page for you to read..

http://www.e30tech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3681&highlight=5040488

here's his response to me..

from Carr industries..

"Have you ever installed these? If you are not buying anything don't waste my time. I will add you to the blocked bidder list"

am i wrong?

thanks..

-errol-

[willy]

forget about that guy!

shop around the internet, i've seen them for as low as 219 to about 320 plus s&h. and from what i've read the h&r race springs don't lower that much. more like 1.6 and 2.0 (don't quote me on the exact #s).

i'm not at my computer now but if you want actual sites just pm me and i could link you to the 1s i have saved.

W.

[errol]

thanks willy.

i am more leaning towards the IE stg 3's now. or the cosmo coilovers.. arghh.. life was so much easier in a mk2/3 vw.lol

[JJe30]

I would say my races dropped me 2-2.5 but they are always listed every as almost, if not the same as the Sports.

[matt]

What an ass.

Buy your races from www.understeer.com or www.factory3performance.com

I have used both and they are both excellent vendors.

And Race's are great springs, even for a daily. Not too low, not too stiff. Love them on the street and the track.

[willy]

What an ass.

Buy your races from www.understeer.com or www.factory3performance.com

I have used both and they are both excellent vendors.

And Race's are great springs, even for a daily. Not too low, not too stiff. Love them on the street and the track.

hey matt, you don't find the race springs too stiff for your daily use. all i've read is that the h&r sports are better for a DD. but the stance and drop of the race springs are much nicer than the sport.

[matt]

No, I don't think they're all that stiff at all.

[JGood]

I have H&R Sports on my 2800 lb 85 325e, and H&R Races on my 2640 lb 87 325is. They are identical drops, I can't measure a difference. All other components are stock, and newly replaced. Both have Bilstein sports. I prefer the ride of the Race springs in every way. Can't really explain it, but I would definitely daily drive the race springs if they weren't on the 325is (that's my track car). I would get them for the 325e, but they are usually nearly $400.

[smonkbmw]

interesting. i bought my race springs from carr industries because they were the cheapest i could find. quick and easy transaction and they got me the springs here quicker than bavauto could get me 2 bilstein sport struts.

i had the bilstein sport h&r race combo on my e36 and i just installed them on my e30 this past week. im waiting for them to hopefully "break in" a little more. right now the ride is kind of bouncy?? it doesnt ride the same as my e36 did at all. its not bad im just hoping itll stiffen up a bit more or do something different. the handling difference is just awesome though, i replaced my tie rods and control arms at the same time though also. the drop is really nice and even, but im sitting on 17s though. there is no rake issues with these springs, unlike what ive seen if you run the ie3s. the car sits even front and rear.

[atomic]

I just installed the race springs I bought from the same vendor. I bought the springs from them mainly because they were the cheapest I could find on the net anywhere. The ones I installed did a drop of around 2 inches or so. I think they are misrepresenting them just a bit but that could be because these are used in spec racing and most of those have shortened strut housings which will make the car lower. I am totally pleased with the way it looks and I can not speak for the ride as of yet since it is at my mechanic's getting a ton of other things done as we speak.

I also bought mine from those guys and they seemed very professional when I talked with them and even had a guestion, that a guy that was out to lunch could only answer, and he called me back at the exact time they told me he would call when his lunch hour was over. Very prompt, very helpfull, and definetely would do business with again. Way before doing business with the jackass' from Ground Control Suspension Systems, which was more like dealing with a retard at Walmart.....

[xLibelle]

ok, Carr has a nice parts listing... but who are they? are they linked with IE? because they have all of their stock and are quoting everything word for word. yet they have higher prices.
truthfully, if you want the Race springs, buy the IE stage3's (same thing) from Patrick at BMA because they have the same price as IE and are garanteed stock and no hastles.
someone fill me in on Carr

[backtrail69]

Carr is a retailer for IE and they have their own stock as well. I have ordered from them before. Their prices are the same as IE as far I know. BTW I LOVE my H&R Race springs. I daily drive mine and take them on long road trips in my 4dr.

[errol]

Carr is a retailer for IE and they have their own stock as well. I have ordered from them before. Their prices are the same as IE as far I know. BTW I LOVE my H&R Race springs. I daily drive mine and take them on long road trips in my 4dr.

i hear ya.. but the original post wasn't whether you liked them or not, i was just wondering if they went as low as this place advertised. when i emailed him with information i found disputing his claim, he was totally rude to me and threatened to block me from the auction.

at the time i was actually interested in those springs, but i think i am going to go another route. not because of him, but because i want more adjustability in my suspension.

i appreciate the post tho.

[smonkbmw]

truthfully, if you want the Race springs, buy the IE stage3's (same thing)

not true. the irelands have a issue with causing a reverse rake (nose sitting higher than the rears). the spring rates are the same but thats it for the springs being identical. i know a few guys with irelands that wont run them again, they prefer the car to sit even (which the h&rs do).

to the OP the drop is right about 2". which as i stated before on 17s makes the car sit real nice.

[errol]

not true. the irelands have a issue with causing a reverse rake (nose sitting higher than the rears). the spring rates are the same but thats it for the springs being identical. i know a few guys with irelands that wont run them again, they prefer the car to sit even (which the h&rs do).

to the OP the drop is right about 2". which as i stated before on 17s makes the car sit real nice.

yeah but you have a plastic bumper car.. my big goofy metal DB's, and higher rear arches need to be addressed.. the alleged "reverse rake" of the IE3's will prolly give my car an even stance..

but i don't even want to dwell on this anymore.. i'm getting shortened Koni's,Cosmos, and modifying the fudge out of my strut housings.. i need to be low man..