Camber Plates: Vorshlag vs GC

[Fair!]

Let this thread die fellas.

Agreed. I'd love for this thread to be locked before it gets any messier. Nobody wins in these types of pissing matches.



On a more positive and completely unrelated note - we're making progress on our $2010 GRM Challenge E30 V8 project car. Look for more updates after the holiday break.

Happy Holidays, everyone. :)

[z31maniac]

^And I have two cars with GC products, neither of which have a problem.

Let this thread die fellas.

[namsayin]

I am currently awaiting my AST suspension w/ vorshlag plates however when i had GC's (only 71.8 miles) the camber plates popped everytime i turn my wheel to almost full lock, regardless of whether left or right.

[87e30]

Ton's on lulz in this thread.

Jay you are getting owned.

Terry, I'm glad you edited out the shot at GC customers who haven't had any problems with GC products. "I guess you do have a few customers left that are deaf enough to ignore the rattles and pops your plates always end up making."

Terry and Jay, you guys bickering like this makes both of you look bad.

Quoted for truth.

[accident]

i lol'd

[teucci]

This information is classified according to Jay

Regarding people wanting instrumented data from the video...would you have any idea what a good or bad number was? Would having the data really mean anything especially since the testing method was more of a demonstration rather than an actual instrumented proper controlled test?

I have been threatened to not post that info, or presumably any info.

I'm not able to answer that question in public. The same men in black... AKA secret, scarey internet police that have threatened Jay to NOT post this information have gotten to me.

If you PM me, and give me a chance to wear my tin foil hat and scramble my wifi connection to prevent the internet police in the black helicopters from intercepting this data....I might be able to answer :p:p:p

[BraveUlysses]

Well, some of us care :3

[Bimmerman325i]

What is shown in the photo has nothing to do with perspective--that tube is distinctly attached at an extreme angle compared to the others. Had this test been performed correctly, it wouldn't utilize a test rig where both plates are subjected to testing in an asymmetrical piece of tooling at the same time.

A real test would have subjected the exact same strut tower tool to each bearing test independently.

No, and Yes respectively. I see it as perspective. You don't. Fair enough. I agree with you on the test method though.

Determining how much load is applied while pushing the bearing to destruction is at the very important, how can you try to spin this otherwise?

I'm not trying to spin this. I don't own any GC products. I have Vorshlag camber plates courtesy of the PO of my car. I've put all of 500 miles on the car since buying it......so I don't have a bone to pick in this e-fight.

Determining the load is very important, true. If the bearing is not loaded similarly to how it is loaded in real life, the test is useless.

Why do the test and release it on the internet unless you're going to do a fair comparison with verifiable metrics? Perhaps because someone can push an agenda under the guise of it being a "demonstration"?

My point is not that data is not needed. My point is that most people on the intarwebz haven't the slightest clue about loadings, axial vs radial bearings, safety factors, material plastic deformation, ultimate yield, etc. Publishing the data will simply result in idiots online saying something like "VS breaks at 10kN, GC at 11kN, thus they r teh betterest!" Note to all idiots: I made these numbers up.

[BraveUlysses]

@Teucci, heard of perspective? The camera's not aimed straight at either the bench or the test jig, so of course some angles are going to look odd.

What is shown in the photo has nothing to do with perspective--that tube is distinctly attached at an extreme angle compared to the others. Had this test been performed correctly, it wouldn't utilize a test rig where both plates are subjected to testing in an asymmetrical piece of tooling at the same time.

A real test would have subjected the exact same strut tower tool to each bearing test independently.

Regarding people wanting instrumented data from the video...would you have any idea what a good or bad number was? Would having the data really mean anything especially since the testing method was more of a demonstration rather than an actual instrumented proper controlled test?

Determining how much load is applied while pushing the bearing to destruction is at the very important, how can you try to spin this otherwise?

Why do the test and release it on the internet unless you're going to do a fair comparison with verifiable metrics? Perhaps because someone can push an agenda under the guise of it being a "demonstration"?

[rwh11385]

This just got interesting. Considered me subscribed instead of just lurking.

Massive: Unless you're asking a different question I don't get... Vorshlag has their radial bearings doing the same thing as GC, only they are sealed. It's not like they just have that spherical bearing.

[Bimmerman325i]

^^ What he said. Both sides publicly bickering like children makes you both look...like children (I saw Fair's original unedited response...good call on the editing).

@Teucci, heard of perspective? The camera's not aimed straight at either the bench or the test jig, so of course some angles are going to look odd.

Regarding people wanting instrumented data from the video...would you have any idea what a good or bad number was? Would having the data really mean anything especially since the testing method was more of a demonstration rather than an actual instrumented proper controlled test?

[z31maniac]

Ton's on lulz in this thread.

Jay you are getting owned.

Terry, I'm glad you edited out the shot at GC customers who haven't had any problems with GC products. "I guess you do have a few customers left that are deaf enough to ignore the rattles and pops your plates always end up making."

Terry and Jay, you guys bickering like this makes both of you look bad.

[teucci]

...We spent a lot of time constructing a perfectly matched teeter-totter...

If this is a time consuming, "perfect" project, I'd hate to see something in a rush! :-P

If it's perfectly matched, why aren't both sides a mirror image of one another?

[Eric]

This will probably get lost in the LOOONG vender replies...

But i put about 70 laps on the nurburgring this year running E30 M3 H&R coil overs and the vorshlag plates. My BTG time is usually sub 9 minutes powered by an old junk yard M20 motor with who knows how many miles on it or how much power it makes. Anyways i have yet to hear my camber plates pop or make any other noise.

[Jean]

lolz