Camber Plates: Vorshlag vs GC

[Fair!]

yeah, sucks actually, I really have a full plate besides this.

I hear yea...

You cannot move the strut 0.920 over from the center of the strut tower, on an e30 with unbent struts, and get 4.3.

Well I admit to not having slept in a Holiday Inn Express lately but that's just what we've measured. :) We shortened a pair of stock strut housings ourselves (not bent), and we do run the car pretty low, so that's giving us more camber than others may see at taller heights. Our Hyperco slightly "beehive" shaped OBD series springs are allowing more spring travel than older spring designs - several spring manufacturers have adopted this same strategy.





Just took those pictures moments ago (it finally quit flooding here in Texas and the sun is out). Not arguing that the GC plates do not have more inboard camber travel - they look like they do. We just chose a different path for an E30 plate design. Its all good. :)

OK, I'm getting back to work...

[Schniddy]

a little off topic, but:

I shouldn't have any problems switching over to oem mounts/perches from having GC plates w/ coilovers, correct?

[Hellabad]

a little off topic, but:

I shouldn't have any problems switching over to oem mounts/perches from having GC plates w/ coilovers, correct?

Actually you are more on topic than most. You will need the specific upper perch designed for a coilover mated to an oem bmw upper mount, The camber/caster plate perch won't work.



Jay

[Schniddy]

^ horrible news!! I suspected that by looking at the peach/spring so I called up GC and asked. He said it would work just fine. Figures.

So I need my car up and running by monday. I dont want to put back on the GC plates since the bearings are all fucked. Where can I pick up these perches?

[Hellabad]

^ horrible news!! I suspected that by looking at the peach/spring so I called up GC and asked. He said it would work just fine. Figures.

Well everybody at GC knows the correct answer, that you can't use the old perch, so whomever it was must have misunderstood the question.

So I need my car up and running by monday. I dont want to put back on the GC plates since the bearings are all fucked. Where can I pick up these perches?

Call someone at GC, you can probably just service the camber plates and everything will be fine. Anybody there can walk you through it, but ask for Mark, Frankie, Jay or John.

530 677 8600 open at 9 pst

[hfmjic]

I hear yea...



Well I admit to not having slept in a Holiday Inn Express lately but that's just what we've measured. :) We shortened a pair of stock strut housings ourselves (not bent), and we do run the car pretty low, so that's giving us more camber than others may see at taller heights. Our Hyperco slightly "beehive" shaped OBD series springs are allowing more spring travel than older spring designs - several spring manufacturers have adopted this same strategy.





Just took those pictures moments ago (it finally quit flooding here in Texas and the sun is out). Not arguing that the GC plates do not have more inboard camber travel - they look like they do. We just chose a different path for an E30 plate design. Its all good. :)

OK, I'm getting back to work...

Is it poor form to point out that using a smart camber gauge there is no way you got a legit zero for that measurement on that surface? I've used that gauge for years and learned the hard way that it's usefully for differential measurements only on anything but properly leveled scale pads. Even then, its accuracy is good but it's precision is only so-so. It's a great track-side tool when a pyrometer gives you good data though.

[lifeiskaos]

Hate to bump old threads, but I don't feel like making a new one.

So often I hear that Vorshlag is "better" but I don't know why. From what I understand, the new Ground Control camber plates offer more camber and caster adjustment, they have a shorter stack height, and they are significantly cheaper. Am I missing something? What's better about Vorshlag's?

[Brew]

Better customer service, in my experience.

[z31maniac]

Better customer service, in my experience.

I've had great customer service from both.

I spent along time on the phone with Jay and Frankie coming up with rates for my swap car and they were nothing but helpful. I've only had one transaction with Vorshalg, but it was good and my parts arrived FAST.

[whiltebeitel]

Hate to bump old threads, but I don't feel like making a new one.

So often I hear that Vorshlag is "better" but I don't know why. From what I understand, the new Ground Control camber plates offer more camber and caster adjustment, they have a shorter stack height, and they are significantly cheaper. Am I missing something? What's better about Vorshlag's?

Care to post more info on these new desgin plates? These are the only ones I see on thier site: http://www.ground-control-store.com/.../II=773/CA=182

[lifeiskaos]

The ones that have the rear bolts sunken in (forgot the technical term) are new. They allow you to have max adjustment, by putting those bolts underneath the shock tower, as in the picture you showed. It used to be that both plates had extruding bolt heads, so the shock tower was the limiting factor in the adjustment.

[Hellabad]

Care to post more info on these new desgin plates?

The short answer is "NO".

Vorshlag has publicly stated on bf.c that they WILL copy any GC designs that are not patented, and they have been true to their word. Many vorshlag products are not just a copy, but an exact duplicate of a part designed by and made by GC.

The new design is absolutely beautiful in my opinion, and has proven to be very strong, in addition to the incredible ranges of adjustment.

Here is an example:

http://www.camberplate.com/test/GCFinalCPIIa.htm

Jay Morris

[HellzMindPlaya]

What is the policy on upgrading if I have a set of specE30 plates?

[Hellabad]

What is the policy on upgrading if I have a set of specE30 plates?

Not very much in common. The spec e30 is pretty specific. email me pics (so I know which version you have) and I will figure out the best plan.

support at ground hyphen control dot com

Jay

[whiltebeitel]

The short answer is "NO".

Vorshlag has publicly stated on bf.c that they WILL copy any GC designs that are not patented, and they have been true to their word. Many vorshlag products are not just a copy, but an exact duplicate of a part designed by and made by GC.

The new design is absolutely beautiful in my opinion, and has proven to be very strong, in addition to the incredible ranges of adjustment.

Here is an example:

http://www.camberplate.com/test/GCFinalCPIIa.htm

Jay Morris

Cool video. Will you make a version for stock-type springs?