Do camber plates create drop or just increase travel?

[Lof8]

I know the primary function of camber plates is to allow camber adjustment. But doesn't the change in mounting position create more suspension travel? Does it have an effect on the car's ride height in the front or is that unchanged?
thanks

[e30/e46 FTW]

it will definitely change(raise) the height in the front by at least 10mm.

there's obviously several ways to compensate for that raise if you're doing springs set-up.

[Kingb]

The GC are 24 MM lower. Jay emailed me a pic. So it would make the car sit 24 mm lower in the front.

[DRTSRFR]

it will definitely change(raise) the height in the front by at least 10mm.

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[e30/e46 FTW]

:???:

lol

it's all different by certain manufacturers. these numbers are basically from ie3 camber plates.

results may obviously vary depending on the route you go to... (above picture is a great example).

[nando]

but he didn't say IE camber plates, his question was more general than that. Which doesn't lend itself to the response "will definitely raise the front of the car". Most quality stuff (not IE crap) will give reduced stack height, which can lower the car and increase suspension travel depending on what you are coupling them with.

[e30/e46 FTW]

Which doesn't lend itself to the response

i know my answer sounded vague... i didn't mean to mislead the OP. i was just clearly stating that IE3 (among other "non-quality stuff" will raise it as other may reduce the height).

again, the disclaimer was "results may obviously vary depending on the route you go to". i think it's probably best for the OP to narrow it down and list em, then perhaps we can guide him to the direction he wants to go to ultimately. :)

[nando]

but you didn't say anything about IE in your original post. All you said was

it will definitely change(raise) the height in the front by at least 10mm

sounds like a (wrong) blanket statement to me.

[DRTSRFR]

The answer was actually quite specific:

it will definitely change(raise) the height in the front by at least 10mm.

R3V'd...

[Lof8]

I'm looking at GC plates and slowly piecing together a full coilover kit of theirs. Was wondering if I get the plates first, what will be the result with my ride height.

[Lof8]

The GC are 24 MM lower. Jay emailed me a pic. So it would make the car sit 24 mm lower in the front.

This 24mm difference results in lowering, NOT raising the car, correct?

And the suspension travel is increased or unchanged?
thanks

[guibo09]

This 24mm difference results in lowering, NOT raising the car, correct?

And the suspension travel is increased or unchanged?
thanks

suspension travel doesnt change unless you change your damper/spring combo.

suspension travel = full damper extension - full damper compression

so, if you install these camber plates on your current suspension, leaving all other things the same, your car will be 24mm lower with equal suspension travel.

gaining 24mm of travel with a camber plate is simply amazing. im coming from the subaru world where not loosing more than 10mm of travel was already good.

the only thing left that im wondering about is the front suspension's camber curve and how much of a penalisation it takes with lowering.

[Hick]

good ones dont change a thing. vorshlag are the same hight, within a mm, of stock bushings.

[Hellabad]

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This 24mm difference results in lowering, NOT raising the car, correct?

And the suspension travel is increased or unchanged?
thanks

answer #1, with coilovers:

Good question. It is confusing because it depends on how you look at it. When you add (some) camber plates, there is a bigger gap between the top of the strut and the car body. You can do whatever you want with this gap. This gap is called suspension travel. You need a certain gap, or a certain amount of suspension travel to make the car so it doesn't ride and handle like crap.

So does thus "gap" have a magic number? Sorta. You need enough suspension travel to keep from hitting the bumpstops all the time, but if you never hit the bumpstops then maybe you can go a little lower for better grip. And for the chicks.

As shown in the picture, you now have an extra 24mm to play with. You can lower the car the whole 24mm and go cruising for Vida Guerra, or for example raise the spring 12mm and take the remaining 12mm to get better handling because you were bottoming out before that.

So in this example your car will be 12mm lower, and handle better because you have an extra 12mm gap before the front strut hits the bumpstop.

If you actually do pick up Vida Guerra at The Club, then you're gonna need that extra 12mm suspension travel / gap anyway. Maybe even 16mm on the LF.

answer #2, regular non adjustable height springs:

Simpler. Camber plates* will ONLY lower the car because you cannot make an adjustment to steal a little bit of that "gap" to make the car handle better.

The problem is if the car already has minimal travel, or too small of a gap, then tha car will be low and handle badly.



Bottom line answer: Usually, you take the extra suspension travel you have added, and take about half to handle better and half to ride better.

disclaimer: All struts bottom out, Bilsteins bottom out earlier than Stock, and WAY earlier than stock or Koni (or KYB or Tokico) with modified bumpstops. Modified bumpstops are just another way to get more "gap", and then maybe Vida Guerra has a sister to hook up with your friend.



* Some products are sold as camber plates, but aren't. They should actually be called "Strut mount spacers that move the top over and raise the car 10mm".
There are also camber plates that are a true camber plate that raise the car. These are lame.
There are also camber plates out there that lie about these measurements, which really sucks, because you don't know you've been lied to until it is too late.

[Hellabad]

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