Why in the F is it so hard to find nice-looking 15s in 4x100?

[rwh11385]

Thank you for understanding.

Others: I was merely making an observation. Reading into what I said and inferring more than what was there is what took this off of the rails.

You're an idiot. Sell your E30 and buy a freaking 240 already.

It's hard to find wheels that fit because 4x100 and our offsets are a rare combination. Go 5-lug, get honda wheels + spacers, or just STFU.

[nando]

the difference is BMWs actually come with pretty nice wheels from the factory (other than the much hated bottlecaps). Most other cars come with crap, so of course they're going to have cheaper wheels.

[phenryiv1]

You're an idiot. Sell your E30 and buy a freaking 240 already.

I'll get right on that.

It's hard to find wheels that fit because 4x100 and our offsets are a rare combination. Go 5-lug, get honda wheels + spacers, or just STFU.

Why is it that we had already discussed what you just posted and yet you still feel the need to come in here and try to insult me?

If that is how you operate, I see how you racked up almost 15K in posts.

[phenryiv1]

the difference is BMWs actually come with pretty nice wheels from the factory (other than the much hated bottlecaps). Most other cars come with crap, so of course they're going to have cheaper wheels.

We have already discussed this fact, but since you felt compelled to post the same info yet again, I feel it necessary to (again) point out that several Infiniti models (including mine) came stock with BBS wheels. Calling the Infiniti BBS "cheaper" and acting as if the (smaller) BMW BBS are somehow cast by God himself just looks foolish.

Now, as has also been discussed, the relative rarity of the proper offset and bolt pattern combination has created a value that is higher than what I had initially assumed.

It is not that I don't understand the economics of the situation. I just did not predict it.

[rwh11385]

It is not that I don't understand the economics of the situation. I just did not predict it.

Shut up fucktard and GTFO

[nando]

We have already discussed this fact, but since you felt compelled to post the same info yet again, I feel it necessary to (again) point out that several Infiniti models (including mine) came stock with BBS wheels. Calling the Infiniti BBS "cheaper" and acting as if the (smaller) BMW BBS are somehow cast by God himself just looks foolish.

Now, as has also been discussed, the relative rarity of the proper offset and bolt pattern combination has created a value that is higher than what I had initially assumed.

It is not that I don't understand the economics of the situation. I just did not predict it.

The difference is nobody wants BBS wheels from a rebadged Nissan, but they definitely want them from an E30 (or VW). So yes, in a way, BMW BBS are superior to the same wheels on an Infinity. It's hardly foolish to suggest so either.

although it is a little foolish to complain that you can't find high quality wheels for a BMW for under $200. Well duh. Sure most BMW parts aren't as expensive as people seem to think but come on. Anyone could have seen that coming.

[phenryiv1]

shut up fucktard and gtfo

14,588

Only a few more to get in the triple bonus.

[phenryiv1]

The difference is nobody wants BBS wheels from a rebadged Nissan, but they definitely want them from an E30 (or VW). So yes, in a way, BMW BBS are superior to the same wheels on an Infinity. It's hardly foolish to suggest so either.

First, I'd think that a car enthusiast could spell "Infiniti," particularly since it was spelled for them.

Second, "Superior" would imply higher quality- not greater desirability. Go git you some grammar lesson.

although it is a little foolish to complain that you can't find high quality wheels for a BMW for under $200.

Reading must really challenge you. Seriously. GO back to page one and re-read my post. I never said that I expected to find "high quality wheels for a BMW" for under $200. I stated that finding 14" weaves at that price was not very easy (though I have found and purchased one set, and located 2-3 others, after some patience).

What I said was that

I never thought that I would have so much trouble finding a set of used 15"s for under $400-500.

Reading > you.

[rThor432]

I love those wheels. If they were not bent, I would have bought them, but for the cost of having them straightened, I could find another set that just have visual blemishes. I really like the ones that Stephen has for sale.

That reminds me, I have a set of Borbet C's that are 16x7.5 and direct fit (hub-centric and proper offset).. Someone should buy them.

[phenryiv1]

That reminds me, I have a set of Borbet C's that are 16x7.5 and direct fit (hub-centric and proper offset).. Someone should buy them.

PM me info (price, pics, etc.).

Than maybe I can remove the subscription for this thread and ignore people who want to make themselves feel better by trying to fight with soneone who is correct but had poor anticipation skills.

[nando]

First, I'd think that a car enthusiast could spell "Infiniti," particularly since it was spelled for them.

Second, "Superior" would imply higher quality- not greater desirability. Go git you some grammar lesson.

nice ad hominem, speaking of grammar lessons.

I did say "in a way". You took what I said literally.

Reading must really challenge you. Seriously. GO back to page one and re-read my post. I never said that I expected to find "high quality wheels for a BMW" for under $200. I stated that finding 14" weaves at that price was not very easy (though I have found and purchased one set, and located 2-3 others, after some patience).

14" E30 BBS wheels *are* high quality. You said you had a hard time finding a set for under $200, did you not? I never said 15" wheels for $200, did I?

Reading > you.

and you, apparently.

People are posting in your thread because you have some sort of attitude problem and they like fanning the flames. You're making it easy for the trolls, try relaxing some.

[rwh11385]

First, I'd think that a car enthusiast could spell "Infiniti," particularly since it was spelled for them.

Second, "Superior" would imply higher quality- not greater desirability. Go git you some grammar lesson.


Reading must really challenge you. Seriously. GO back to page one and re-read my post. I never said that I expected to find "high quality wheels for a BMW" for under $200. I stated that finding 14" weaves at that price was not very easy (though I have found and purchased one set, and located 2-3 others, after some patience).

What I said was that


Reading > you.

Holy shit man, you're one worthless new member with this pointless thread and smarter-than-thou attitude, even against a moderator.

Why are Japanese cars have such cheap aftermarket wheels? Because when such wheels are purchased, many are bought by cheap minorities or cheap teenagers. This changes the price that can be asked for most wheels.

What about a luxury brand with a strange bolt pattern and offset, driven primarily originally by yuppies? If any manufacturer wanted to design a wheel just for that market, it could charge much more for them. Sure, if they wanted to custom one-off a pre-existing wheel for such an application, it might not cost as much but probably a bit more than other, more common applications.

Why would wheels for a large, cheap consumer market like Honda civic's 4x100 cost the same as a niche, spendy consumer market? Sure, the prices have come down on E30s, but why would they encourage anyone to make many more new wheels for them since the owners are getting poorer and cheaper as the years go on?

I have a lot of posts because I have been here since the beginning and I can tell you're a piece of shit who isn't worth the registration. So go back to whatever forum you think you are big stuff at and complain about how much the wheel market for BMWs sucks to your Nissan pals.

[phenryiv1]

You're making it easy for the trolls, try relaxing some.

I really thought that I had. This thread was dead for about a day before someone came in and tried to fan the flames by repeating what had already been said.

I can't believe that people are still talking about this. Let it die.

I mis-anticipated the lack of supply of 15 x 7 ~20ET wheels. I made a post about it. People felt the need to assume that I was comparing cheap knockoffs to sacred wheels such as Borbets, Milles, BBS, etc. I advised them of the fact that I was actually comparing wheels of similar (identical) quality but greater supply to relatively scarce BMW fittamants. In my oversight, I failed to account for the scarcity and its potential upward pressure on prices for that inventory that is available.

Additionally, while many Japanese vehicles seem to have huge wheel arches that look better with a 17" wheel than a realtively undersized 15" application, the E30 looks quite good with a 15" wheel. The desire to move to a larger wheel in Japanese vehicles has created a high supply of "undersized" 15" wheels in a 5x114.3 bolt pattern, which depresses prices for them due to low demand and adequate supply.

Again, I did not consider all market forces when I made my initial post. Hence the reason that I made the post in the first place. Several members have educated me as to the answer to my initial inquiry. For that, I am appreciative.

[phenryiv1]

Holy shit man, you're one worthless new member with this pointless thread and smarter-than-thou attitude, even against a moderator.

His status as a moderator is immaterial to this discussion. While I respect his authority within the forum, he is not automatically correct just because of his user title.

In this case, he made one or more incorrect assumptions, and I countered them. It isn't that I doin't respect his role in the forum; it is simply that I don't feel the need to back down from an incorrect assertion simply because of who made it.

Why are Japanese cars have such cheap aftermarket wheels? Because when such wheels are purchased, many are bought by cheap minorities or cheap teenagers.

Wow, stereotype much?

I have a lot of posts because I have been here since the beginning and I can tell you're a piece of shit who isn't worth the registration. So go back to whatever forum you think you are big stuff at and complain about how much the wheel market for BMWs sucks to your Nissan pals.

I have not owned a Nissan in quite a while, but thanks fo the advice. I like it when "mature" and seasoned members resort to personal insults in their first interaction with new members.

I do still moderate a Nissan forums, and while I admit that some of your assumptions are true (some idiotic teenagers putting cheap parts on cars with rapidly-declining values), your attitude take us back to page 1, where you just look snobbish for peering down your nose at anyone not driving the chariot of God himself.

Don't get me wrong- I bought an E30 based on its capabilities. Most E30 owners and enthusiasts have been helpful in my quest to learn more about the vehicle and what I can do to/with it. Attitudes like yours, however, are not helpful to anyone.

[DrMcDave]

The very 15 inch mesh wheels that you don't necessarily like are what our local (this forum) is generally after. Those 15 inch bbs euro weaves or Ix weaves are very desireable. The most sought after wheels are the wheels that were produced when our cars came out back in the early 90's. Due to limited production, and rare offsets it's expensive to get wheels. I'm not flaming your thread. Finding wheels is a very difficult task. Source some pictures of clean e30's with bbs weaves and you might change your mind. You will never find the tuner support with an e30 that you have with a nissan/honda/infiniti whatever especially in the wheel category. There aren't many other 4 lug cars out anymore except hondas and the offsets are all wrong.

Mesh is period correct for e30's and it looks at home. See if you can source some kosei k1's in 15. They look pretty good. rotas are cheap and there is that new wheel in the group buy section that looks okay for the price. Take your time and browse eventually the right wheel will pop up.

It's a tight knit community so when new people come in they get it rough until they prove that they aren't d-bags. Good luck