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  • e34john
    No R3VLimiter
    • Apr 2006
    • 3599

    #1

    Inside tire wear

    All 4 tires are wearing on the inside. I know I need to to align the front, but what do I do about the back? Is the only thing just to keep up on the rotations so it wears as evenly as possible? I have 225/45 16s on a 60/40 kit.
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  • erik325i
    No R3VLimiter
    • Jan 2005
    • 3567

    #2
    Do an allignment, keep your tire pressures up, and rotate your tires on a regular basis.

    There are kits to make the rear end more adjustible if you wanted that.

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    • e34john
      No R3VLimiter
      • Apr 2006
      • 3599

      #3
      Yea, I need to ge the alignment done before I get new tires. Maybe I don't have enough weight in the back. No tar or spare, I think I will keep the gastank full more often.
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      • StereoInstaller1
        GAS
        • Jul 2004
        • 22679

        #4
        Change the rear trailing arm bushings to Urethane, it will help keep geometry straight and you will get WAY better life from the tires.

        Closing SOON!
        "LAST CHANCE FOR G.A.S." DEAL IS ON NOW

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        Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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        • george graves
          I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
          • Oct 2003
          • 19991

          #5
          Originally posted by StereoInstaller1
          Change the rear trailing arm bushings to Urethane, it will help keep geometry straight and you will get WAY better life from the tires.
          Is this right? Well, if so I guess I'll do urethane after all.
          Originally posted by Matt-B
          hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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          • e34john
            No R3VLimiter
            • Apr 2006
            • 3599

            #6
            Originally posted by StereoInstaller1
            Change the rear trailing arm bushings to Urethane, it will help keep geometry straight and you will get WAY better life from the tires.
            Have a link to this magical bushing?
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            • StereoInstaller1
              GAS
              • Jul 2004
              • 22679

              #7
              I have IE, but there are several on the market.

              I am not talking about adjustable ones, just basic Urethane.

              Closing SOON!
              "LAST CHANCE FOR G.A.S." DEAL IS ON NOW

              Luke AT germanaudiospecialties DOT com or text 425-761-6450, or for quickest answers, call me at the shop 360-669-0398

              Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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              • Philo
                Ich esse kleine Kinder
                • Oct 2008
                • 3334

                #8
                A new rubber bushing will do just as well as a poly bushing IMO, just not be as rough. What Erik said is the most helpful though; tire pressure, rotation, alignment. As for your weight theory, adding more weight would create more camber, thus, increasing the inner tire wear. This is not what you want.
                -tim
                Originally posted by Jordan
                I like the stance
                -Coining hip terms since 10/9/03

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                • erik325i
                  No R3VLimiter
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 3567

                  #9
                  Originally posted by george graves
                  Is this right? Well, if so I guess I'll do urethane after all.
                  A new stock rubber bushing will do the same thing. The point is that new bushings (of any material) are better than worn out stock bushings with 200k miles.

                  Originally posted by e34john
                  Maybe I don't have enough weight in the back. No tar or spare, I think I will keep the gastank full more often.
                  You have it backwards. More weight will cause the car to sit lower and get more negative camber.

                  Erik

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                  • Philo
                    Ich esse kleine Kinder
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 3334

                    #10
                    Echo. . . echo . . echo. :D
                    -tim
                    Originally posted by Jordan
                    I like the stance
                    -Coining hip terms since 10/9/03

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                    • StereoInstaller1
                      GAS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 22679

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Philo
                      A new rubber bushing will do just as well as a poly bushing IMO, just not be as rough.
                      I will disagree here completely.

                      Rubber bushings are far less stiff than rubber...duh, right? The point of this is that the rubber deflects dynamically, as in under load, with an "angle" in that the camber or toe will be multiplied as the bushing goes through its travel, where the urethane, while still able to deform, will exhibit less distortion, thus retaining more of the original static measurement.

                      In other words: rubber still deforms more than urethane, even when it is new.

                      This is why they cause better tire wear: they hold the pivot point accurately and deflect far far less than rubber.

                      Of course, fresh rubber will be better than shitty old 200,000 mile rubber.

                      As far as NVH, I have well over 300,000 miles on cars with no rubber bushings at all, and I am a grumpy old bastard that needs a nice smooth ride. Yes, no doubt that rubber is a nicer ride, but the urethane feels so much smoother on "turn in", and as the corner progresses, just feels more "planted" and is thus worth the tiny little bit of asphalt you feel.

                      Up front, the improvement in braking even over the solid M3 control arm bushings makes urethane the only choice in my book.

                      And before any of you guys spout the old "have you felt how new rubber feels" remember, kids....I drove the piss out of these cars when the whole damn car was new!

                      My opinion is this: if your car is a daily driver on lowering springs, use urethane for control arms and trailing arms, but all rubber on everything else.

                      YMMV.
                      Luke

                      Closing SOON!
                      "LAST CHANCE FOR G.A.S." DEAL IS ON NOW

                      Luke AT germanaudiospecialties DOT com or text 425-761-6450, or for quickest answers, call me at the shop 360-669-0398

                      Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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                      • e34john
                        No R3VLimiter
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 3599

                        #12
                        You guys are right about the weight in the back, I just thought about it and the mental picture I had before was wrong.

                        Saw the urethane kit 50 bucks or so, not bad, maybe I'll get the rear camber kit too, gonna think about it.
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                        • E30Idea
                          R3VLimited
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 2196

                          #13
                          Get an adjustable kit fron dungeon motorsports. That is what I did and my car is matching 2 degrees front and rear camber and 0 tow all the way around.
                          ** Lot's of M20 turbo parts for sale.**



                          Turn key track car.

                          http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=222066

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                          • george graves
                            I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 19991

                            #14
                            ^Will any guy that's been to alignment school be able to jump right in and set up the car with those eccentric bolts? Or do you need to take it to someone with experience with it? Or the right rig?

                            Those are kinda standard part's aren't they?
                            Originally posted by Matt-B
                            hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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                            • E30Idea
                              R3VLimited
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 2196

                              #15
                              Originally posted by george graves
                              ^Will any guy that's been to alignment school be able to jump right in and set up the car with those eccentric bolts? Or do you need to take it to someone with experience with it? Or the right rig?

                              Those are kinda standard part's aren't they?

                              they are stock E36 parts I believe. Simple weld in tabs, bolts and nuts. there is really nothig to it. took dashboardMonkey and I about 4 hours to get the subframe out, RTA off, tabs welded on and reinstalled. The alignment shop new exactly what I installed when I took it to them and explained and they had it done in 45 minutes.

                              My race the next weekend yeilded an easy 30% more traction because I have almost 40% more tire on the ground. I went from 4.6 degrees negative camber to my requested 2.0. Easy best bang for your bucks item to be added to the e30 to do list.

                              For what its worth you can get the Hardware online or forom BMW directly.

                              - Eccentric Bolts, Eccentric Washers and Lock Nuts through Pelican Parts:

                              You will need 4 of each if you are doing both camber and tow. Otherwise you will only need 2 of each.

                              BMW Part # - 33321095102 - Eccentric Bolt
                              BMW Part # - 33321092310 - Eccentric Flat Washer
                              BMW Part # - 33326760668 - Self-Locking Collar Nut

                              Here is the diagram from the parts off realoem

                              http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...33&fg=30&hl=31


                              Honestly, I would just support Dungeon and buy there kit. Comes withing a few days and you get everything you need.
                              Here is there link on e30tech. This is where I ordered:

                              ** Lot's of M20 turbo parts for sale.**



                              Turn key track car.

                              http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=222066

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