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  • jp_slick
    E30 Enthusiast
    • Aug 2008
    • 1089

    #16
    I dont mean to thread jack but since this issue is up

    im finishing a 5 speed swap and my clutch pedal just keeps going to the floor
    do i just keep pumping until it gets to position its supposed to be?
    Thanks in advance

    89 325i S50/ZF E36 M3/TI 5lug Style 32s

    My feedback Thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=219113

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    • Fidhle007
      I can fly, motherfucker
      • Oct 2005
      • 7209

      #17
      Originally posted by jp_slick
      I dont mean to thread jack but since this issue is up

      im finishing a 5 speed swap and my clutch pedal just keeps going to the floor
      do i just keep pumping until it gets to position its supposed to be?
      Thanks in advance
      Can you be more specific? You'll want a friend's help bleeding it out: have the friend pump the pedal by hand about five times then with it down, open the nipple. Close it, pump it up again and repeat until the pedal returns and the car goes into gear with the engine turning and the pedal down.
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      • rThor432
        No R3VLimiter
        • Feb 2007
        • 3907

        #18
        Originally posted by jp_slick
        I dont mean to thread jack but since this issue is up

        im finishing a 5 speed swap and my clutch pedal just keeps going to the floor
        do i just keep pumping until it gets to position its supposed to be?
        Thanks in advance
        Yes, just keep pumping it. Like I said, I do it by hand.



        You should be good at that.

        Eventually it'll start to build up pressure and work it's way off the floor and into the normal position. Then bleed the system again.

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        • PiercedE30
          R3V Elite
          • Apr 2005
          • 4220

          #19
          Easiest way to bleed the clutch:
          Pump the slave cylinder by hand prior to installation on transmission, after connecting the line.
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          • yert315
            R3VLimited
            • Aug 2008
            • 2734

            #20
            Originally posted by PiercedE30
            Easiest way to bleed the clutch:
            Pump the slave cylinder by hand prior to installation on transmission, after connecting the line.
            x2

            this pushes all the air into the reservoir, rather than pushing it out a little bleeder valve going against the heavier fluid. Much more effective and quicker.

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            • EricT
              Mod Crazy
              • Mar 2009
              • 702

              #21
              Thats the piece that shot out and hit my knee followed by a huge spring rolling from under the dash about two months ago. My pedal is easier to push, but still comes up level with the brakes so I didn't bother with it. I just picked up all the pieces and put them in a baggie and tossed them in a drawer in the garage.


              BUT THIS!!!!! http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=194272

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              • Collin
                E30 Mastermind
                • Aug 2008
                • 1736

                #22
                Originally posted by EricT
                Thats the piece that shot out and hit my knee followed by a huge spring rolling from under the dash about two months ago. My pedal is easier to push, but still comes up level with the brakes so I didn't bother with it. I just picked up all the pieces and put them in a baggie and tossed them in a drawer in the garage.
                Are we talking about the pedal return spring? Wouldn't leaving it out put undo wear on your clutch/throwout bearing/pressure plate because there is always weight being applied?

                I know it's not the typical application force, but I would assume it's close to just resting your foot on the pedal when driving instead of using the dead pedal.
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                • jp_slick
                  E30 Enthusiast
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 1089

                  #23
                  i was bleeding it
                  but i found my problem the line to the pump got bent and wasnt letting the fluid in
                  thanks for the help

                  89 325i S50/ZF E36 M3/TI 5lug Style 32s

                  My feedback Thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=219113

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                  • EricT
                    Mod Crazy
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 702

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Radiocammbodia
                    Are we talking about the pedal return spring? Wouldn't leaving it out put undo wear on your clutch/throwout bearing/pressure plate because there is always weight being applied?

                    I know it's not the typical application force, but I would assume it's close to just resting your foot on the pedal when driving instead of using the dead pedal.


                    That I am not sure of, I know when I rebuilt the clutch master cylinder right after I got the car, the replacement spring for inside there was alot stiffer than the original. Theres some odd bolt that appears to have broken off allowing this big return spring and its retainer to pop out and scare the bejesus out of me cruising to work the one morning.


                    BUT THIS!!!!! http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=194272

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                    • bejbis
                      E30 Addict
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 596

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Fidhle007
                      That's all normal and hooked up the way it's supposed to be but seriously, ixnay on the double ostpay.
                      How do you have the nerve to bitch about his double post when it took you 'a tech' 3 worthless posts to give him an answer that helped? 5000 posts aint shit when your a dick 75% of the time.
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                      • Fidhle007
                        I can fly, motherfucker
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 7209

                        #26
                        I'm only a dick 75% of the time? Fuck, I must be slacking.
                        '89 325is S50 Track Montser
                        '04 X5 Daily/Tow Vehicle

                        http://www.avarestoration.com

                        http://www.myspace.com/brendanfiddle


                        Click here if you want to be my zombie slave...

                        http://www.youtube.com/user/Fidhle007

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                        • iwantspeed
                          No R3VLimiter
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 3164

                          #27
                          didnt update this sorry
                          the way you guys mentioned was spot on.
                          that spring fits into a groove.
                          thanks guys.

                          the car is running great.


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                          • ramdmc
                            Noobie
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 28

                            #28
                            Originally posted by rThor432
                            Yes, just keep pumping it. Like I said, I do it by hand.

                            You should be good at that.

                            Eventually it'll start to build up pressure and work it's way off the floor and into the normal position. Then bleed the system again.
                            Just found this thread via "search" function.

                            Just bought a 90 325i about a month ago and haven't had time to go over what it may need. It's been parked for six weeks and went to start it today and the pedal sank to the floor. It seems I may have a dead master. I pump the pedal 20+ times and get no pressure build up at all, pedal stays down to the floor if I didn't manually bring it back up. I haven't been able to trace the leak so far, can't get the car into gear to get it on ramps, and it's kinda tight going in from under the hood, looks like I'll have to jack it on stands.

                            Forgive my ignorance, but the Bentley is short on details when it comes to this subject and this is my first BMW coming from a long history(23 years) of VWs, which use cables.

                            So the consensus is if you cannot build pressure by pumping it manually the master needs replacing?

                            Any suggestions?

                            RC

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                            • blindwOw
                              Advanced Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 124

                              #29
                              Originally posted by EricT
                              Thats the piece that shot out and hit my knee followed by a huge spring rolling from under the dash about two months ago. My pedal is easier to push, but still comes up level with the brakes so I didn't bother with it. I just picked up all the pieces and put them in a baggie and tossed them in a drawer in the garage.
                              Originally posted by Collin
                              Are we talking about the pedal return spring? Wouldn't leaving it out put undo wear on your clutch/throwout bearing/pressure plate because there is always weight being applied?

                              I know it's not the typical application force, but I would assume it's close to just resting your foot on the pedal when driving instead of using the dead pedal.
                              Originally posted by EricT
                              That I am not sure of, I know when I rebuilt the clutch master cylinder right after I got the car, the replacement spring for inside there was alot stiffer than the original. Theres some odd bolt that appears to have broken off allowing this big return spring and its retainer to pop out and scare the bejesus out of me cruising to work the one morning.
                              I know I'm bringing up a year old thread, but what's the verdict? That spring popped out on me about a month ago while I was backing out of my uncle's driveway. It scared me shitless, but I drove away just fine. I took a look at the assembly and found that the bolt connecting the spring was broken. Am I doing damage I am not even aware of by not replacing it and still driving? Should I replace it or does it not make a difference whether or not I have it?
                              '87 Zinno 325e

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                              • Beach Bum
                                E30 Addict
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 466

                                #30
                                Originally posted by blindwOw
                                I know I'm bringing up a year old thread, but what's the verdict? That spring popped out on me about a month ago while I was backing out of my uncle's driveway. It scared me shitless, but I drove away just fine. I took a look at the assembly and found that the bolt connecting the spring was broken. Am I doing damage I am not even aware of by not replacing it and still driving? Should I replace it or does it not make a difference whether or not I have it?
                                The pressure plate will keep the clutch pressed, but you should replace the return spring so that you don't maintain pressure, even as light as it is, on the throwout bearing. I don't know how many miles on it you'll lose, but you'll lose some.

                                Replace it ASAP, but it's not ASAP like coolant would be.
                                Originally posted by george graves
                                If people keep quoting me in their sig, I'm going to burn this motherfucker down.

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