Yay for BS traffic citations.

[Jordan]

Well you are sworn in once you enter the court. Lying in court isn't going to do anyone any good.

[KDZROK]

He has actual pictures of the intersection as well. Along with a satellite image.

[Mot]

He has actual pictures of the intersection as well. Along with a satellite image.

of course he does, its jordan, I wonder if he got the city plans for the layout of the intersection too. :P

[Jand3rson]

He has actual pictures of the intersection as well. Along with a satellite image.

of course he does, its jordan, I wonder if he got the city plans for the layout of the intersection too. :P

All I could think of when I read that was "Mallrats". :D

"Silent Bob got a schematic of the stage from some foolish carpenter, and found a weakness just like the fuckin Death Star."

He's going to get into the courtroom, bust all that shit out, and the judge's eyes are going to fall out of his head, and he is going to let him off on general principle.

[Fred]

Well you are sworn in once you enter the court. Lying in court isn't going to do anyone any good.

Cops lie all the time in court. Not all cops do it in every situation obviously, but if there was a situation where it couldn't be corrorated by either side (like a he-said she-said argument), you can bet he'll pull some crap out of ass.

Good luck man.

[e30sd]

you'll probably win. according to michael moore, oregon has all of 2 police officers. i doubt they can afford to have this one show up to court and not rock his beat...

[92 mtechnic cabrio]

will that info that you collected even stand in court, as well as the drawing? how do they know you arent making everything up?

They don't. It's going to be his word against theirs, and all we can do is hope he comes out on top.

Benefit of the Doubt.

[Chris E30 Cab]

Crappy intersection, but I think their reply will be that you should of connected to Van Buren further down the road in order to make that right turn legally. Laws and road systems are not really there to suit our chosen routes.

[KDZROK]

Since an immediate right hand turn after the left onto Van Buren is illegal, they need to post that simply before you make that left hand turn.

Just like they post a uturn is illegal at the point where it is. Otherwise, how would you know.

[e30fiend]

Re: Yay for BS traffic citations.

So I got my first citation in the e30 Weds.


I plan to argue that there is simply no way to properly and legally execute any sort of right hand turn onto 4th after turning left onto VanBuren.

I'm hoping to get the ticket dropped outright (obviously) The base fine is $237 (what I was fined) and the minimum the ticket can be reduced to is $180 (unless dropped)

Provide input and feedback.

I think the judge's response will be obvious: "Go around the block, or otherwise find another way.". Unless there is absolutely no other way to get onto that street, which I doubt.

Granted, most people probably just do what you did and get away with it 99.999% of the time, but that doesn't change the fact that if there was an alternate route, you should have taken it.

[Jordan]

Meh. The cop told me that I should have taken the left lane then moved over. etc.

The cop just wanted to give out a ticket, thats all there was to it.

[Beej '86 325es]

If you do want satellite images:

http://imageatlas.globexplorer.com/ImageAtlas/view.do?group=ImageAtlas&lat=39.5276&lon=-97.142&zoom_level=1

I'd say in court the percentages is going to get you nowhere, but the contradicting laws might.

[Inspar8r]

Ok, let me see if I understand correctly. While making a left hand turn, you must turn into the nearest lane, and not take the furthest lane (like you did on Van Buren)?

That's the law here in Illinois, but I never heard of anyone getting pulled over for that.

Probably just a reason to pull over a nice car with a young driver.

I got stopped for it. The ONE time i did it, i got stopped. I always turn into the far left lane, you know, cuz our cars can handle well, lol, just got lazy, and got caught..

[KDZROK]

If you do want satellite images:

http://imageatlas.globexplorer.com/ImageAtlas/view.do?group=ImageAtlas&lat=39.5276&lon=-97.142&zoom_level=1

I'd say in court the percentages is going to get you nowhere, but the contradicting laws might.

Okay, that was just cool... I found my car sitting outside my boss' house with that sight!

[jweb]

Since an immediate right hand turn after the left onto Van Buren is illegal, they need to post that simply before you make that left hand turn.

Just like they post a uturn is illegal at the point where it is. Otherwise, how would you know.

They will say you should know that you must signal 100 ft before changing lanes, and ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking it.