New cars are so Ugly

[KenC]

There are certainly some exceptions, but for the most part 'new' cars are big, bulky, and ugly. One of my favorite examples of a vehicle losing its roots is the Toyota 4runner, they used to be cool SUVs with loads of capabilities that weren't too big. Now the damn things are monstrous and ugly as hell.

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Honestly, why do manufacturers insist on making cars so much damn bigger. There are plenty of small cars, (granted they arent beautiful) that meet the same safety regulations as bigger vehicles. A new 3series is a comparable in size to an e28. I guess im just fed up with the notion of bigger is better.

One of my best friends had a first gen 4Runner. Cool car for what it is, but I guarantee you the new one will out perform it in every way. The old one was seriously a tin can with a FG roof. Maybe you want one if you're making a crazy rock crawler. But have you ever sat in the back of one for more than 20min? Jesus kill me, it's terrible.

[KenC]

oh NO NO NO!
nothing new bmw is good(imo). their quality is going to complete shit! when i see people everyday choosing to buy a equally priced lexus over a bmw its rediculous. i used to wonder why, then spent some time at the bmw dealership the other week.

the interiors for instance, so plain and boring. and wtf is this dildo in the center console?

and the customer service? well lets just say if you own anything over 10yrs old you will be snuffed at by the dealer!


there are a few new-er cars i'd like, might own one day, hell i was thinking of picking up a z4 to replace my vert, ha that was a dumb idea.


but come one people, we have what we want, we have awesome e30's. people buying new cars dont know how to change a tire or check their oil(and thats how manufactures like it). most are moms or elderly. you know what really makes me sick? when people come to my dealership and ask why their tire pressure light is on. i used to try to teach people you need to check the tire pressures and fill them up when it gets cold. one woman actually said "no, i rather just have you do it". what!?

ugh ima go for a drive
/later

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on here.

Plain interiors on new cars? Compare a 91 325i to a 2011 328... well there is no comparison. The luxury of newer cars is 10x nicer. People who buy new BMWs buy them because they want a nice and comfortable car.

Dealerships make money by selling new cars. Do you expect the GM to come running out of the front door rejoicing that you've blessed his parking lot with a 25yo car? You'll get a few techs and shop lackeys that say "hey cool e30," but realistically nobody else gives a shit about it. I love e30s just as much as everybody else here, but I don't expect a red carpet and high fives when I go get an oil filter from the parts dept. Sales doesn't give a shit because I'm not shopping for a car.

You're also making a ridiculous assumption that new car owners don't know how to work on cars. People with new cars don't work on them because they don't have to. If my car had a warranty, I wouldn't even pop the damn hood on it. I have several friends with brand new BMWs, and none of them turn a wrench on them. Why waste a Saturday when you can have it done for you? You're buying the warranty with the new car. You're a moron if you don't use it. A 65yo woman isn't going to go to the gas station and check her tire pressures when the light comes on when she can take it in, have a cup of coffee and chat with the staff while it gets taken care of for her.

[Bill 84 318i]

Honestly, why do manufacturers insist on making cars so much damn bigger. There are plenty of small cars, (granted they arent beautiful) that meet the same safety regulations as bigger vehicles. A new 3series is a comparable in size to an e28. I guess im just fed up with the notion of bigger is better.

They just follow the market. "Man, this 3 series I bought four years ago has been great, but I want something just a little bit nicer". The next generation is designed to keep that customer, and eventually something fills the gap - it's not new. 3ers -> 1ers, Civic -> Fit, Sentra -> Versa, whatever the hell the Hyundai models are, A4 -> A3, Corolla -> Yaris, hell 911 -> Cayman.

As much as I consider myself an enthusiast, I'm as guilty as the next guy. 10 years ago, I never thought I'd have anything but an e30...couple random cars later, I love my e46 but ya know what? It's a little small and not quite as comfortable as I expected. What's next, come family time? Probably an f30 or maybe e60 (though really, I don't see the e46 going anywhere, it's a blast).

I'm with you the that the older 4runners were awesome. But they did put out the FJ, and I think Toyota has been one of the most boring brands of all in the past decade.

The world isn't ending. Toyota(finally)/Subaru are taking a chance with the alphabet cars, the 370z was smaller/lighter than the 350z, Lotus came to North America and still exists, Mini Coopers (fuck that big one) are out there, Honda tried to reincarnate the CRX, and the CTS-V can be had as a coupe, sedan, or wagon, all with 3 pedals. People just need to buy them.

[Threehz]

Yeah the new 4runners are so god damned ugly, it's sad because they were such good cars for such a long time... Watched many good cars die over the years.

[Joe G]

There are certainly some exceptions, but for the most part 'new' cars are big, bulky, and ugly. One of my favorite examples of a vehicle losing its roots is the Toyota 4runner, they used to be cool SUVs with loads of capabilities that weren't too big. Now the damn things are monstrous and ugly as hell.

This


To This


Honestly, why do manufacturers insist on making cars so much damn bigger. There are plenty of small cars, (granted they arent beautiful) that meet the same safety regulations as bigger vehicles. A new 3series is a comparable in size to an e28. I guess im just fed up with the notion of bigger is better.

[Pac1373]

I wish toyota would do what ford, chevy, and dodge did with the mustang, camaro and challenger.

seeing a revamped 77 corolla would be badass or maybe that mazda or a 510 by nissan.

Oh Dear god, YES!

[TurboJake]

oh NO NO NO!

ugh ima go for a drive
/later

That sounds like a grand idea.
I think I'm going to go do the same.

[Wschnitz]

oh NO NO NO!
nothing new bmw is good(imo). their quality is going to complete shit! when i see people everyday choosing to buy a equally priced lexus over a bmw its rediculous. i used to wonder why, then spent some time at the bmw dealership the other week.

the interiors for instance, so plain and boring. and wtf is this dildo in the center console?

and the customer service? well lets just say if you own anything over 10yrs old you will be snuffed at by the dealer!


there are a few new-er cars i'd like, might own one day, hell i was thinking of picking up a z4 to replace my vert, ha that was a dumb idea.


but come one people, we have what we want, we have awesome e30's. people buying new cars dont know how to change a tire or check their oil(and thats how manufactures like it). most are moms or elderly. you know what really makes me sick? when people come to my dealership and ask why their tire pressure light is on. i used to try to teach people you need to check the tire pressures and fill them up when it gets cold. one woman actually said "no, i rather just have you do it". what!?

ugh ima go for a drive
/later

This thread is about looks not reliabilty/quality, i do agree with you that newer german cars have shit electronics reliability though, they should just let japan make their electronics.

[devon.818]

I think some mazdas and 2012 bmws are ok, but toyotas, hondas, Hyundais, and american brands are bland and ugly as piss.

E30s are nice, they are reasonably sized compared to post 98 cars.

oh NO NO NO!
nothing new bmw is good(imo). their quality is going to complete shit! when i see people everyday choosing to buy a equally priced lexus over a bmw its rediculous. i used to wonder why, then spent some time at the bmw dealership the other week.

the interiors for instance, so plain and boring. and wtf is this dildo in the center console?

and the customer service? well lets just say if you own anything over 10yrs old you will be snuffed at by the dealer!


there are a few new-er cars i'd like, might own one day, hell i was thinking of picking up a z4 to replace my vert, ha that was a dumb idea.


but come one people, we have what we want, we have awesome e30's. people buying new cars dont know how to change a tire or check their oil(and thats how manufactures like it). most are moms or elderly. you know what really makes me sick? when people come to my dealership and ask why their tire pressure light is on. i used to try to teach people you need to check the tire pressures and fill them up when it gets cold. one woman actually said "no, i rather just have you do it". what!?

ugh ima go for a drive
/later

[Wschnitz]

I think some mazdas and 2012 bmws are ok, but toyotas, hondas, Hyundais, and american brands are bland and ugly as piss.

E30s are nice, they are reasonably sized compared to post 98 cars.

[KenC]

I wish toyota would do what ford, chevy, and dodge did with the mustang, camaro and challenger.

seeing a revamped 77 corolla would be badass or maybe that mazda or a 510 by nissan.

Toyota won't do that because they want to stay in business.

[ohthejosh]

I wish toyota would do what ford, chevy, and dodge did with the mustang, camaro and challenger.

seeing a revamped 77 corolla would be badass or maybe that mazda or a 510 by nissan.

[KenC]

M3Philipp you have said it quite well my friend.

My dad and I have had this argument for a long time. He's even admitted that I'm right about every point I make as why buying an old car is better then a new car, yet he is still stubborn.

I've found it's like trying to argue with a drunk, you can make a perfectly stated point supported by a range of evidence from multiple sources yet that doesn't matter when you are trying to argue with a rock. So is life.

As long as I can continue driving my cars I'll be happy :)

If you have the ability to work on a car yourself, then the argument stands. With shop rates these days, an e30 would nickel and dime you like crazy. Hell, a head gasket replacement at the dealer would produce a bill greater than the value of half the cars on this board.

[Jrey]

I have to agree with the OP, new cars look horrible, at night the lights make em look like spaceships ffs Mercedes BMW Ferrari Land Rover have all disappointed me as far as designs go, hell I wish BMW can bring back the reversed hood opening like on the e30 and e34, like the guy up there, ill never trade my e30 for anything unless its another e30 but ya get the point, some people even says the e30 keeps its style and I still get headturners even though its old

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[Threehz]

M3Philipp you have said it quite well my friend.

My dad and I have had this argument for a long time. He's even admitted that I'm right about every point I make as why buying an old car is better then a new car, yet he is still stubborn.

I've found it's like trying to argue with a drunk, you can make a perfectly stated point supported by a range of evidence from multiple sources yet that doesn't matter when you are trying to argue with a rock. So is life.

As long as I can continue driving my cars I'll be happy :)